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Blair and Brexit...

On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:03am Clifford wrote:
The slimey war criminal ("I'm a straight kinda guy') is pushing Remain - good enough reason, if there weren't a lot more, to press on with Brexit.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:10am Pedro wrote:
I'm surprised Blair bothers getting involved these days in politics. He must realise his brand is toxic.

To be fair though, there are plenty of toxic brexiteers as well as there are remainers. "We" have Blair and Piers Morgan, Brexit has George Galloway, Donald Trump and Godfrey Bloom. Let us not judge each other on our worst days!
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:14am The Old Mayor wrote:
He shouldn't be talking from a jail cell !!
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:28am Billy wrote:
My potato tubers are being delivered today. Just as the weather is starting to warm up. Perfect.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:29am Pedrope wrote:
Perfect weather for some early gardening. Love this time of the year
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:47am Historian wrote:
Chitting !! BIlly
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:50am Clifford wrote:
Pedro wrote: 'To be fair though, there are plenty of toxic brexiteers as well as there are remainers.'

Very true Pedro, and I'm not completely happy with some of the company I'm in as a Brexiter. But the thing is, a majority voted Leave and the slimey little creep is now trying to ignore that.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 10:58am Pedrope wrote:
I am so glad I have many hobbies. Stop one being insular and self obsessed.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:02am Pedro wrote:
@ Clifford, had the result been the reverse, would you expect the "leave" protagonists to have just accepted such a narrow victory? Farage certainly had other intentions. I sense this was a fight that remain could never win in the long term, just as I suspect Scotland's unionists won't either.

I just hope that the rise in racially motivated hate crimes since June 23rd is a blip, as no political decision is worth that as a consequence.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:07am The Greek wrote:
I groaned loudly when I heard the news this morning... stupid.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:19am Pedro wrote:
It is terribly fashionable to hate Blair. Heads will explode as I dare to just challenge that notion just a bit. I wonder had he not been so keen to adopt GW Bush's foreign policy strategy, Britain would be in a better state, and Blairs legacy as well. Domestically, was he any more chaotic than his successors or people on the opposite benches, when it came to issues such as regulating the banks? Was "New Labour" (aside from the Blair cabinet) any more hawkish than the opposition of the time? Votes in parliament suggest not.

Blair may be pro-EU, but his administration (chiefly Ed Balls and Gordon Brown) put the question to bed about joining the Eurozone. This integration may have been a step too far, but as we stand, I feel we had a pretty good deal going with the EU and our european partners (particularly compared to many of them). I certainly don't think its going to be any better now, whether we are fully out or partly in.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:24am stevet wrote:
He’s entitled to speak, and people can decide whether to listen or not. It’s interesting how Brexiteers try and close off debate by telling people to shut up and repeating the mantra of “the will of people” whenever someone expresses an opposing view. No-one can deny the result of the referendum was the view of the people on that day in June, but the main planks of the campaign persuade people to vote to leave have since evaporated and are never mentioned (£350M to the NHS, Turkey joining the EU imminently etc). Who knows what might happen in the future, but the issues are still worthy of debate, and if Brexiteers are confident in their arguments they shouldn’t resist that debate
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:33am Jack Bauer wrote:
Has anyone seen the new series 24:Legacy? I really enjoyed the first episode, thought it was a welcome return to form for the show after a couple of lacklustre seasons and it doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of Jack Bauer who, as a character, I think they'd taken as far as they could. It wouldn't surprise me if he popped up in cameo at some point mind you.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 11:56am Splifford wrote:
We are all being poisoned by Goldman Snax. Tony Blair is a giant lizard from the planet Boffo.I am not a conspiracy theorist or an anti semite but...
On 17 Feb 2017 at 12:09pm Pampered pooch wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good dog groomer locally? Mr Kibbles is in desperate need of a trim up.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 12:11pm Newms wrote:
It is a very good speech and from the start it expresses precisely how I feel about it
The road we’re going down is not simply Hard Brexit. It is Brexit At Any Cost. Our challenge is to expose relentlessly what this cost is, to show how the decision was based on imperfect knowledge which will now become informed knowledge, to calculate in ‘easy to understand’ ways how proceeding will cause real damage to our country; and to build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff’s edge. I don’t know if we can succeed. But I do know we will suffer a rancorous verdict from future generations if we do not try.

That sums it up well in my view
On 17 Feb 2017 at 12:17pm Walker wrote:
Hi there! I moved to the area recently and was wondering if there were any organised walking groups in town? The countryside is so beautiful round here but knowing the best routes is half the battle!
On 17 Feb 2017 at 12:39pm Potty wrote:
Lovely walks all around Lewes. Try barcombe mills
On 17 Feb 2017 at 1:26pm Billy wrote:
Just finished a 2 hr session in the gym. Heading home now. Hope potatoes have arrived. Will put them in seed trays to chit.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 1:37pm Pedro wrote:
@newms - I think the damage is done. Britain is leaving the EU, because of one referendum which went narrowly, for whatever reason, towards the leave campaign. Most people will lose out financially in the short and long term, and the people who get hit again the hardest will be many of those who voted thinking it was an "anti-establishment" vote. Austerity is nothing particularly new though.

One thing that hopefully won't change (At least in the long term) is the general respect and admiration huge swathes of this country has for people of all backgrounds and ethnicities. We will continue to welcome in immigrants from the EU and outside, and the haters will just have to accept this is not going to change in 2 years time or beyond. Our culture will never be like the 1950s Britain again, and is always evolving for the better, as we learn, adopt and merge a variety of different customs and culture into our own for the better. The rise in hate crimes will fuel the majority of people into turning their backs and shunning once again at the far/alt right wing as most people find it naturally abhorrent.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 1:53pm Fist cuckoo wrote:
I swear I saw some daffodils on a verge on my drive to work today, surely spring can't be here already?!?
On 17 Feb 2017 at 2:55pm Billy wrote:
They have arrived safely. Very happy.

On 17 Feb 2017 at 3:27pm Grunge wrote:
Very nice bag of potatoes, Billy. My daffodils and tulips won't be long before they come into bloom.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 4:01pm Billy wrote:
Nice one Grunge. Yes, I noticed the other day how daffodils are started to show through the ground. Won't be long now. And we have some warmer weather coming. Catch you later.
On 17 Feb 2017 at 5:18pm Brexiteer wrote:
A new ICM poll shows 68% of voters want the government to “get on with implementing the result of the referendum”, compared to just 15% who disagree. Even more Remain voters (42%) agree with the statement than disagree (33%).
On 17 Feb 2017 at 7:13pm Monty wrote:
There are snowdrops in bloom in the beds outside Aqua ! Does anyone know just how expensive those bulbs are !!
On 17 Feb 2017 at 7:44pm Charlie's Dimmocks wrote:
Yes, I saw a gentleman carrying a briefcase and wearing a striped blazer tending those beds

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