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An outsiders view of Brexit fiasco

On 15 Dec 2018 at 11:15am Bert wrote:
Former Australian PM Tony Abbott...
"Itís pretty hard for Britainís friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess thatís being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesnít seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, itís baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.
Letís get one thing straight: a negotiation that youíre not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation ó itís surrender. Itís all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britainís EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that heíd never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that sheís desperate for whatever deal she can get.
The EUís palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that thereís only one Ďdealí on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because itís terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence.
But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, itís not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for. Itís time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU canít make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year ó and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the worldís fifth-largest economy?
A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You donít need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows whatís in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.
Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently ó and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you donít need a deal. You donít need Michel Barnierís permission. If Europe knows whatís best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are.
Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain ó but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign workerís tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers.
Fourth, no Ďdivorce billí whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EUís property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britainís share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasnít getting its fair share, itís the EU that should be paying Britain.
Finally, thereís no need on Britainís part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldnít be imposing tariffs on European goods, so thereís no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so letís not pretend you need to check for problems we all know donít exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.
Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US ó but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? Weíre talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere).
UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. Itís been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids. And letís not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum.
As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britainís future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britainís admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it."
Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015
On 15 Dec 2018 at 12:15pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I read about 20% of it, but got bored of the bigoted Tony Abbotts views all over again (who is well known for being so in Australia - and I had hoped he had really disappeared into the history books by now along with other racists). Its just more nationalist nonsense with an utterly misplaced sense of british exceptionalism (and this blind hope that Brexit is ultimately hanging from). It comes as NO surprise whatsoever that Abbott would be a Brexiteer, he is as nuts as the headbanger brexiteers over here.
On 15 Dec 2018 at 1:38pm Bert wrote:
I'll cut it short for you. (Attention span of a gnat). Great Britain is currently the worlds 3rd largest economy. We need to be able to make our own rules.
On 15 Dec 2018 at 1:56pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@bert, factually incorrect, but brexiters tend not to let facts get in the way of a good story. We are currently (and slipping down the economic tables since 2010) the 5th or 9th largest economy depending on how its measured (and both excluding the EU in that). We haven't had the 3rd largest economy for quite some time, but it doesn't surprise me that brexiters have this kind of vision of Britain of a bygone era that is IMPOSSIBLE (thankfully, in almost every regard anyway) to recapture. Ironically, even more impossible if we left the EU, given that our economy will slip even further down the tables and we lose even more relevance.

We also have many of our own rules too, but keep crying over mis-shaped bananas and having to ask a bartender for a "568ml" vessel of beer cos of those malevolent EU bureaucrats in Brussels ruining EVERYTHING!
On 15 Dec 2018 at 10:36pm Mark wrote:
Rule 6: No poofters...
This here's the wattle. The elblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle. You can hold it in your hand.
On 16 Dec 2018 at 7:57am Mark wrote:
More soberly.... What worries me is the economic cycle. It's ten years now since the global crisis. The American economy is close to overheating. Growth has been strong in the EU but feeble in the UK as we slide down the economic league tables. Is the next correction going to coincide with the plucky No Deal UK setting up its stall for world trade - with nothing to put on it's shelves?
On 16 Dec 2018 at 11:27am Tom Pain wrote:
Economic cycle? On your bike! When enough credit is produced the economy grows and when it is contracted the economy follows suit. That's obvious, what's not is that the process is controlled by the mega banks for their own ends. The financiers supply cheap credit then slow down lending and foreclose on those who cannot pay. Thus they accumulate tangible assets like businesses and property. Advancing credit costs them nothing, they are not allowed to lend their assets by law. They just "lend" credit until it has been paid back when it is "retired" that is ceases to exist. No wonder the major international banks can buy political influence with this state of affairs. No wonder the 1% get richer every day and the99% get worse off. I've said it before and I shall continue- watch professor Richard Werner's short videos , they're simple and the only difficulty is getting rid of the false conceptions we have on the matter.
On 16 Dec 2018 at 1:21pm Mark wrote:
My 89 yo father keeps telling me exactly the same thing, Tom - to watch his stuff. The problem is that I'm banned from even mentioning anything to do with politics or economics at home for reasons that quite understand. There isn't a chance that I'd be able to put something like that on the telly. Pornography would probably be more acceptable to the other half.
On 16 Dec 2018 at 1:26pm Mark wrote:
I wanted to weep last night when The Long Short was on opposite Michael McIntire's Christmas Special.

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