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A vote for Labour is a vote for the Tories

On 3 Dec 2019 at 7:34am DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Labour has zero chance of winning Lewes. The Lib Dems have a good chance of winning Lewes.
Time to step away from party tribalism and vote for the Lib Dems.
Another Tory government will be disastrous for the country.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 10:39am Local2 wrote:
Absolutely not. Lib Dem’s would be just as disastrous as labour. Borrow borrow borrow recession recession recession. If you think there’s a lack of housing in lewes now just wait until Lib Dem’s get in.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 2:18pm Sleeveless wrote:
But why wouldn’t anyone vote for Labour? Their list of seemingly endless promises would surely be nirvana for everyone?
On 3 Dec 2019 at 2:27pm DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Local2, show me some evidence that Labour have any chance of ousting the Tories in Lewes.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 4:07pm Huey Lewes wrote:
I have been a life long Labour voter, and a fan of Corbyn, but as much as it pains me, i will vote Lib Dem on the 12th, ANYTHING to oust the Tories
On 3 Dec 2019 at 4:22pm DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Huey Lewes - I know it's tough but it is the right thing to do.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 4:59pm Local99 wrote:
Good for you, DfL and Huey. I'll do likewise now that you've been kind enough to tell me to.
(What planet do you live on, by the way?)
On 3 Dec 2019 at 6:10pm Hyena wrote:
Local 99 what planet do you live on ? Open your eyes.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 6:21pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Yep, I'm voting Lib Dems. If Labour were in the position to win the seat in Lewes, I'd probably vote for them, but the priority must be to oust the incumbent tory right-wing brexiter. The only way is to vote Liberal Democrats in the current FPTP system in Lewes. We must try to stop the tories damaging this country through widening inequality, the careless destruction of the Union, as well as harming our neighbours in the European Union.

Unfortunately, I fear it may be a lost cause, and we'll all have to watch this car-crash movie play out, and perhaps hope to bounce back from the wreckage by learning from yet more mistakes by blinded, misplaced nationalism, greed and arrogance (tory mentality and "leadership").

On 3 Dec 2019 at 6:40pm Nevillman wrote:
The administrator of the lewes present Facebook site is threatening to take down the post and delete the account of anyone who posts about tactical voting such as we see above. At least it is an improvement on his usual policy of censoring posts he doesn't agree with without any comment.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 7:33pm Local2 wrote:
DfL Show me the evidence where I said labour could oust the torries in lewes? I clearly stated they’re both as disastrous as each other.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 8:48pm Sleeveless wrote:
If Labour were to win the general election, I wonder how many, of their many promises will be delivered? What do others on here think?
On 3 Dec 2019 at 9:07pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I think if Labour have a majority government, they would accomplish a lot, especially if they avoid Brexit altogether.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 9:22pm DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Local2 - you should be a politician with your ability to provide a tedious, pointless answer.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 9:25pm DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Local99 - just to be clear, your post was massively pointless. Probably best if you keep quiet and just spaff your Brexit Party vote on the 12 December in the privacy of the polling both.
On 3 Dec 2019 at 10:48pm Basil wrote:
DfL wrote: 'Time to step away from party tribalism and vote for the Lib Dems.
Another Tory government will be disastrous for the country.'

When people did that in 2010 they got a Tory government propped up by Lib Dems who were enthusiastic enablers of austerity. Jo 'I'm going to be PM' Swinson was a gleeful minister. The Lib Dems are a nasty opportunistic little sect and will go to the oblivion they deserve.
On 4 Dec 2019 at 7:35am DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
Basil - congratulations on a very British response, a whinge with no proposed solution.
And just as a matter of fact, between then and now the Lib Dems have increased their numbers, so clearly not heading for oblivion.
On 4 Dec 2019 at 7:41am Sleeveless wrote:
What’s not to like in Labour’s promises ?
Increase health budget by 4.3%
Not sell the NHS to the USA
Negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU
Hold a second legally binding referendum on Brexit in three months
Minimum wage of £10 an hour for anyone 16+
Freeze the pension age at 66
Pay the Waspi women
Nationalise key industries
Reduce all rail fares by 1/3
Free Broadband for everyone
Scrap universal credit
Build 100,000 new council houses every year
Scrap University tuition fees
Free Nursery Care
Provide more allotments
Rescue of pubs facing closure
Free bus travel for all under 25
Free prescriptions
Free dental check ups
Plus probably loads more that I have missed. Christmas is coming early.
On 4 Dec 2019 at 1:02pm Green Sleeves wrote:
It's a good, progressive and positive manifesto, but voting Labour in Lewes won't help deliver that where as voting Lib Dems may indirectly support it.
On 4 Dec 2019 at 2:56pm Sleeveless wrote:
Green Sleeves. Good, progressive and positive maybe, BUT is it realistically deliverable? There must be a downside somewhere - where’s the catch?
On 4 Dec 2019 at 5:32pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Its not a catch, we know there will be an increase in taxation and borrowing to fund what are genuinely innovative programs or much needed investment in public services. The cost or "catch" shouldn't always just be scrutinised by how it can be funded, but the cost for NOT investing in the UK properly and the long term consequences of that.

Successive Tory governments have been making cuts now for almost 10 years....we have just seen slower growth, and an even more divided society due to widening inequality (and an ever increasing debt anyway despite these numerous government saving sprees). There are plenty of industrialised, successful countries that adopt a higher taxation economy, that reinvests back into its public services....our country has plenty of wiggle room to operate similar models.

And even if you don't feel Labours plans are entirely deliverable, even if they deliver 1/4 of what they promised, it is far better than the alternative of the status quo and a never-ending row with the EU.
On 4 Dec 2019 at 6:48pm Sleeveless wrote:
Aside from the costs (incidentally, labour canvassers have been told to talk Politics not Economics) actually delivering what has been promised will be an enormous task, probably on an unprecedented scale. Take for example house building - where are all the tradesmen going to come from to build the 100,000 houses per year, let alone finding the land, obtaining consent etc. Now multiply that effort across all the other commitments.
On 5 Dec 2019 at 11:41am Tom Pain wrote:
It does sound a bit of a contradiction- that voting labour is voting Tory but in view of the fact that voting to leave the EU meant staying in, it's no big surprise
On 6 Dec 2019 at 9:21am Green Sleeves wrote:
@sleeveless - yes, its ambitious, and some of those targets may not be met, but they will certainly make good progress in many areas of our society that need it just as the previous Labour government did. How many starter homes did the Conservatives commit over their term, and how many did they deliver? The answer to the first question is a very large number, and the second questions answer is......well isn't.

Perhaps we should therefore be cynical of Labours policies, just because the Conservatives have either shown how hard it is to implement these ambitious policies.....or they simply lied, or were too incompetent to deliver.

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