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Why a 21 pound note?

On 6 Jul 2009 at 2:22pm sleuth wrote:
because "Twenty One Lewes Pound Note symbolises that 5% of all the money issued will be placed in a new fund for the benefit of Lewes."
On 6 Jul 2009 at 4:34pm Ed Can Do wrote:
As was pointed out in the other thread. It's not that 5% of the money issued is donated, it's that an additional 5% on top of what is issued is put in the "fund".
On 6 Jul 2009 at 4:39pm bonfirek wrote:
what a load of pretentious arty farty, hemp wearing, neo trendy, new age, organic, sustainably biodiversified load of old crap the Lewes Pound is!
On 6 Jul 2009 at 4:53pm Hotman wrote:
Agree bonfirek - and it will end in some grotesque chaos.
On 6 Jul 2009 at 5:44pm Keeley wrote:
Agree bonfirek
On 6 Jul 2009 at 8:42pm Spinster Of This Parish wrote:
It's encouraging that so many can see the naked truth about the Lewes £
It's what I call the "Emperors New Clothes" syndrome.
Well said bonfirek
On 6 Jul 2009 at 10:10pm the Emperors tailor wrote:
Apart from raising Lewes's profile in national and international press (and therefore encouraging tourists who presumably will spend their foreign money (regardless of whether they change it into lewes pounds first) with many small businesses in the town) what exactly is it that TTL have done that they should be so vilified by so many people on this forum?
On 6 Jul 2009 at 10:53pm Spinster Of This Parish wrote:
You have enquired about my opinion, so here are my personal view about TTL.
I believe TTL is the formation of a group of over-priviledged and ageing has-beens who have spent their autumn years living in the town (spring and summer spent in colonial upbringings and (more often than not) London). In a vain attempt to feel useful and thus boast about their worth and achievements in life, they invented TTL. To add insult to injury, the group frequently pat themselves on the back regarding their perceived achievements - I think this is deeply insulting to the town and her people who, frankly, were (and still are) doing quite fine.

I think that Lewes' profile, nationallly and internationally, has always been high due to Bonfire, Gideon Mantell, Battle of Lewes and that Thomas (spit) Paine spending a brief period of his life in the town. We don't need TTL to smugly pontificate that they are the town's saviours.
On 6 Jul 2009 at 11:26pm Reg wrote:
So what HAVE the TTL done for US then?
Speak up - in fact what have any of the TT organisations done? perhaps there are other TTs out there that have seen a benefit - speak up - I want to know?
On 6 Jul 2009 at 11:57pm Brian wrote:
Did they build the aquaduct?
On 7 Jul 2009 at 8:23am Popular Peoples Front wrote:
And the sanitation?
On 7 Jul 2009 at 8:28am bonfirek wrote:
TTL are just a bunch of back slapping, self serving, self congratulating, whining, new age, crystal collecting pointless people who try to foist their ridiculous ideas on us! Theres no need for a Lewes pound and theres no need for TTL, be off with you!
On 7 Jul 2009 at 8:34am SHS wrote:
At least they don't use taxpayers money, unlike so many other half-baked schemes and tinkering around the town. It seems to me that at least one of the reasons for TTL's existence is that some people have realised that this govt will do nothing to improve our lives or prevent problems in the future. Perhaps TTL are a little ahead of their time, no harm in that.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 11:16am Frak wrote:
But if they weren't there, what would you have to moan about? Oh yes, I forgot, generally everything.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 11:48am Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
Anyone else getting tired of Bonfirek, Spinster and their comrades working class hero posturing? Wake up. It's 2009, not 1979. The middle classes exist, many of them, shock horror, actually born and bred locally. Get over it. For you ze class war is over!
On 7 Jul 2009 at 11:50am Spongebob wrote:
Errr....no. Next question.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 12:07pm Hotman wrote:
You may be right People's Front, but that doesn't mean the TT concept is absurd posturing by overgrown student politicians.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 12:08pm Hotman wrote:
Oh golly - that should read 'isn't absurd posturing'...
On 7 Jul 2009 at 12:47pm bonfirek wrote:
SHS, Exactly how is TTL improving my life? Other than filling it full of comedy potential!
On 7 Jul 2009 at 12:52pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
Hotman, my point was just that when asked what harm it does, Spinster and Bonfirek just spewed out their usual load of class war rhetoric instead of answering the question. Personally, I don't see any harm in the Lewes Pound. Even if all it does is boost tourism that's good for everyone, as more money spent in local restaurants and pubs during a recession helps keep them open for locals to enjoy. And who knows, maybe some people have been inspired to try buying beer from Harveys, or fish from Terrys, or even local fruit and veg from Bills (the cherries are tasty and cheap there at the moment) instead of doing all their shopping at Tescos.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 1:06pm Lets Do Lunch! wrote:
Where is the proof that any boost in tourism and local spending is due to TTL?
On 7 Jul 2009 at 1:18pm What is... wrote:
The 'TTL' is it a new bonfire society?!
On 7 Jul 2009 at 1:31pm Hotman wrote:
Peoples Front of Lewes wrote: Hotman, my point was just that when asked what harm it does, Spinster and Bonfirek just spewed out their usual load of class war rhetoric instead of answering the question.
I don't think you're using the expression 'class war' properly. 'Class war' means the struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Spongebob and Bonfirek taking the mickey out of a few ageing small-town bohemians and do-gooders doesn't even approach that historical struggle.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 1:43pm Frak wrote:
Seems to me that Bonfirek, Spinster et al seem to have massive chips on their shoulders. As soon as anything vaguely - green, environmental, alternative or just not agreeing with their views crops up they just seem to spew a load of stereotypical nonsense about lentils and hemp. I'm neither a fan nor against the LP, but I don't see what it has to do with being vegetarian or how everyone involved is obviously from London.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 1:44pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
As far as I know nobody has interviewed everyone spending any money in Lewes to ask why they're spending it here, so no proof of anything, but let's put it this way. There's no reason to think the Lewes pound has driven any business out of town, and the launch made all the national press and was widely covered around the world, and a quick google shows most of the articles also describe the town and its attractions. Is there any reason this wouldn't lead to at least a few extra day trippers checking out the town? Sure, it may be a bit of a silly hobby for people with too much time on their hands, but it isn't harming anyone and may, I repeat may, even be doing a bit of good.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 2:11pm local one wrote:
Well it's not doing much good now that they are charging traders 5% to change it back into sterling. I've overheard a number of very angry shopkeepers who are now refusing to take them.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 2:23pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
Agree with you there, Local one. Strikes me as a bad move. Charity donations should always be voluntary. Hopefully they'll sort something out before the goodwill behind it is lost. Oh, and Hotman, you must be new here if you think that the class stuff is just mickey-taking. Just put DFL (code for Bourgeois on this forum) into the search function and see what comes up. It's like slipping into a 70s time warp!
On 7 Jul 2009 at 3:07pm Ed Can Do wrote:
As I've now said a few times, it's not even a charity donation as TTL isn't a charity. When and if you give them the 5% change over tax, you have no guarantees whatsoever that the money isn't going straight into the organisers' back pockets. TTL aren't doing any harm per se but their whole set up is shambolic. They have these worthy ideas and the best intentions but the way they go about it leads to no confidence and more and more often, derision. Local traders are already paying into a scheme that's supposed to cover the cost of the Lewes Pound and now they're going to be charged again to change the things back into proper money. It's ridiculous and will simply mean fewer and fewer people will accept them, assuming of course anyone ever tries to spend one in the first place rather than just sticking them all on eBay.

Oh, and People's Front, if you want to buy locally sourced fruit and veg you're more likely to find it in Waitrose than Bill's. Since he sold the place to the new owners, all the produce comes down from London (Like most of the customers!).
On 7 Jul 2009 at 3:58pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
Ed Can Do, all I can say is the cherries I bought were grown by Graham Love, a local farmer who sells his stuff through TG Fruits Wholesalers in Brighton, who list Bill's as one of their customers on their website (I just looked up Graham Love on Google). They specialise in local (Kent and Sussex) produce. Where did you get your info from?
On 7 Jul 2009 at 4:03pm me wrote:
He probably got his info from Tescos .............................................................................................
like lots of Bills produce

On 7 Jul 2009 at 4:19pm Hotman wrote:
I see someone is having a go at Bill again. I was wondering what had happened to the ESCC consultation about Bill blocking the pavement with his tables. Weren't they supposed to be asking what we think about it? I suppose they're waiting till the summer is over.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 5:20pm Ed Can Do wrote:
My info comes from speaking to the guys at Ben's Butchers and Terry's fish shop who say that Bill's won't buy their stuff unless they can match the prices of a list of London suppliers and from two of the chefs who quit when Bill's was sold and they were told they couldn't order local produce anymore and it had to come from the list of London suppliers they have.

Some of the stuff might still be local but the majority is not. Did you check when that website was last updated?
On 7 Jul 2009 at 8:18pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
The website just says (c) 2009. A shame if what you say is true, but he clearly still sells some local fruit, as I just bought some. As long as he keeps selling local apples, pears and cherries at bargain prices I'll keep buying them.
On 7 Jul 2009 at 9:15pm Hotman wrote:
The Observer and The Guardian will soon be reporting that Bill's 'has gone off somewhat lately'. Smaller portions, less flavour. And that will be that.
On 8 Jul 2009 at 1:27am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
On Saturday I got chatting two a couple who were having a right moan because they'd been waiting 40 minutes without having their order taken.
I was tempted to suggest they try a cafe instead of a greengrocers if they wanted lunch.
On 8 Jul 2009 at 2:07pm Petit Bourgeousie wrote:
What did Transvestite Town Lewes ever do for me?
On 8 Jul 2009 at 4:31pm Hotman wrote:
They obviously didn't teach you to spell bourgeoisie.
On 8 Jul 2009 at 6:39pm Peoples Front of Lewes wrote:
Correcting people on how to spell bourgeoisie is terribly bourgeois.

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