On 21 Feb 2023 at 11:48pm Tom Pain wrote:
I see that Roald Dahl's books are being bowdlerised and the word " female" is being excised as well as "fat". How stupid can you get? Now hold your horses sleevie, I'm just saying stupid S.T.U.P.I.D. okay? It's an act by stupid people that increases the amount of stupidity in the world which is not a good thing. It encourages the proliferation of stupidity by stupid people, it's not a conspiracy alright, have you got that nev? Just stupid, whatever you want to insinuate or infer, stupid, nothing to do with that stupid Schwab or stupid theories that think the huge greening of the planet is bad. It's not a conspiracy it's just stupid people being promoted by other stupid people so they can feel less stupid while they are being stupid.
On 22 Feb 2023 at 2:27pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Is this the latest thing you're outraged about "modern life"? I can't say i'm terribly surprised, but as I said in an earlier post, I can pretty much predict the things you are disproportionately alarmed over.
I couldn't care less either way, and doubt it will do much more than bring new attention to old books. You'll get loads of gammon parents (or more likely grand parents) heading to amazon to buy up the old stock of books that include the words "fat", just so their kids are exposed to that word rather than an alternative. I'n thinking "stupid" is perhaps best applied to those that care enough to get worked up over such "EXTREME CENSORSHIP!!" lol.
"Won't SOMEBODY please think of the children!" 
On 22 Feb 2023 at 6:20pm Tom Pain wrote:
It's not outrage, I'm trying to get the idea through to particularly dense bigots that I don't think there's a conspiracy of anything but stupidity. Why bother to censor the word "female" if you're not stupid? I quite understand why you would though.
On 22 Feb 2023 at 6:53pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I'm fairly certain that books throughout history have undergone many revisions and translations for many reasons, some dubious, others less so. Seems a storm in a tea cup, perhaps on both the "censorship" side and those overly irked by it to the point where they are genuinely bothered by re-prints of old books that they never would have noticed or it ever potentially impacting them directly, if it had not been brought to their attention by a media that thrives on faux-outrage.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 4:39pm Tom Pain wrote:
I'm fairly certain that you don't read books and have no opinion worth notice.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 6:40pm Green Sleeves wrote:
And if I wanted your opinions, I'd just look up 4chan for conspiracy theory groups/threads ranting about new world orders, fake moon landings and climate-change denial. Attention seeking claims for the sake of it, and perhaps even in bad faith....although i'm hoping you're just dumb.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 8:21pm Tom Pain wrote:
Pain- it's not a conspiracy
Sleevie- you're a conspiracy theorist
On 23 Feb 2023 at 8:45pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Yep, I was spitting facts. Although i prefer the term "conspiracy theory loon".
Taken much interest in chemtrails recently?
On 23 Feb 2023 at 9:45pm Tom Pain wrote:
Spitting- yes. What is it that you hate about me so much? Why do you feel you have to invent my opinions, in spite of what I actually say? Do you stalk anyone else online?
On 23 Feb 2023 at 10:11pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I don't hate you, nor do I stalk you. I clown on you, but mostly because you say clownish things. If me, responding to your posts, on a forum that has about 3 active posters, is making you feel "stalked" or harassed, then perhaps take a short break from posting here. I'm not following you into Argos or Bill's.
On 23 Feb 2023 at 11:21pm Tom Pain wrote:
Clowning? Where do you go to the circus? The sewage works?
On 24 Feb 2023 at 12:28pm Nevillman wrote:
If you can't handle people criticising and commenting on what you say, you really shouldn't be going on a public forum. I'm sure you can find forums of like minded people who agree with you if that is what you want.
You are very concerned about being called a conspiracy theorist Tom. Unfortunately, many of your views rely on believing that there is a conspiratorial group somewhere who are behind the belief in climate change, COVID, moon landings, 911 etc. In my book that makes you a conspiracy theorist. I try to come up with better arguments to refute your beliefs and avoid just dismissing your ideas as the product of a conspiracy theory but you can't escape the fact that this what they are.
In this particular case, you make a valid argument that it is stupid for people to get too sensitive about the use of some labels. Green has made the equally valid argument that it is the people objecting to the censorship who are being stupid.
Your post at 4.39 on 23 February then makes a personal remark against green and it's all downhill from there.
Please try to stick to the argument Tom.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 7:38pm Tom Pain wrote:
Climate, covid, moon,911. I haven't said anything of the sort, you presume it. All I say that it's all done by stupidity, didn't I say it clearly enough for you? There is of course the graft and corruption angle to all these things, people conspire to make money on the side. Didn't you know that a lot of people are dishonest? That's what I'm talking about. Sleevie is the most insulting creep I have ever come across, I can't help reacting to it sometimes/often! You're right it's all downhill, I forget not to reply to trolls even when they lie by presuming.
On 24 Feb 2023 at 7:41pm Green Sleeves wrote:
David Icke
On 2 Mar 2023 at 11:00am Nevillman wrote:
I realise that conspiracy theorists are extremely sensitive to accusations of being conspiracy theorists but I'm afraid that is what you are Tom. On COVID, you say the government introduced the lockdown because they were stupid because they listened to the conspiracy of scientists who said we should have it. You have said there is a conspiracy of scientists who are cooking the books on climate change. You have said there is a conspiracy behind 911. You carefully avoid the word conspiracy but all 3 of us know that is what you are talking about. Pretending it is because there is suddenly an outbreak of stupidity doesn't fool me.
None of us can help it if you choose to get insulted by people with opposing views to you. Sadly your reaction to them is not healthy for debate on a public forum.
On 2 Mar 2023 at 7:31pm Tom Pain wrote:
Conspiracy of scientists!!!! If you weren't so busy telling me what I think you might have noticed that I referred to one so called scientist asking if you were familiar with his abysmal record of lunatic predictions. Having no leg to stand on, all you can do is parrot "conspiracy theorist". Is that your idea of debate? Coming from the man banned from Lewes present, isn't that a bit ....um.....er, I can't quite find the right word, perhaps .......revealing? If you want debate tell me about his successful predictions and maybe a reason for his failures, then explain why he was taken seriously by the WHO. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.
On 3 Mar 2023 at 10:27am Nevillman wrote:
You are saying that it wasn't a conspiracy of scientists but only one scientist who was responsible for all the advice that the government based it's lockdown policy on. Really Tom? I have re-read all your posts Tom and can't find this scientist named anywhere but it strikes me that you are so desperate to avoid the conspiracy tag that you have made what amounts to your most ludicrous claim of all.
I'll try to ignore the personal insult Tom as I realise it is a default mechanism for you. Incidentally I was banned from Lewes present for speaking against symes' censorship which he didn't like. Your comments really do make me start to think that there might be a case for not listening to some people.
On 3 Mar 2023 at 1:57pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I can help you with that one nev, tp is surely referring to professor neil ferguson. Who predicted 500k deaths if no measures at all were adopted. He was probably more famous for his lockdown affair than any covid prediction....and given that we have had over 200k deaths with measures implemented, his 500k estimate wasnt that wild.
He is definitely the boogie man for the far right and covid deniers. Apparently the entire world took just his advice.
On 3 Mar 2023 at 8:03pm Tom Pain wrote:
That's it greenslave, neil ferguson. 2001, foot and mouth- 150,000 human deaths predicted, actual- under 200.(11 million animals slaughtered). 2002 BSE- 150,000 deaths predicted, actual- 177. 2005 worldwide birdflu- 150 million deaths predicted, actual between the years 2003/9- 282. 2009, swine flu- 65,000 deaths predicted, actual- 457.
I did post about it at the time but you were too busy calling me names, which I shall kindly ignore. What a record of utterly stupid predictions eh?
On 3 Mar 2023 at 9:09pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Unfortunately, he was fairly accurate regarding the dangers of covid, as it did indeed take hundreds of thousands of lives in just this country alone, and millions worldwide. I wish he had been spectacularly wrong on this one as well, but he clearly wasn't just going by the death toll. We didn't lose "under 200", "177" or other figures you mention, we're talking over 200k dead. You could argue up to the point of his covid "worst case scenario" prediction, he was the "boy who cried wolf".....unfortunately, we know what happened in that story, and the wolf did actually exist and kill the flock.
I do recall you and all the sceptics focusing heavily on him, but he wasn't ultimately the reason for lockdown, since this advice/prediction was mirrored across most countries worldwide, and nobody outside of the UK (and specifically the anti-covid types) know or have heard of Neil Ferguson. Each country will have their conspiracy theorist target....in the UK it might well be Ferguson, but in the US its Anthony Fauci. They shoulder some responsibility for the good and bad of the pandemics course, but they are hardly sole instigators. They didn't start the virus.
On 4 Mar 2023 at 4:47pm Tom Pain wrote:
Oh greenslaves, Maria Caulfield's best boy. Wormtongue doomsayer, the average age of those deaths was about eighty..... the average age of all deaths is what.....eighty! Live in fear, only the government can save you, support the fascists, believe everything they tell you.
On 4 Mar 2023 at 8:02pm Green Sleeves wrote:
"Screw the elderly, covid may have only brought their demise on a bit earlier, and its probably best for the economy anyway that they're gone.....and i got covid and didn't die, so there"
That is ultimately your take on the matter. Or you simply don't believe any more people died in those years despite the excess deaths being at record highs during the peaks of the pandemic. Perhaps you now officially blame the excess deaths on just lockdown and think its all made up. Nearly 7m deaths worldwide, and its still nothing for public health services to be concerned of in Professor Tom Pain's highly regarded opinion. Have you entertained the thought that maybe crisis actors were used to amplify the threat of covid as well?
Anyways, whats the big deal, as long as you and I survived all this drama eh? I mean we both got covid and came through it just fine. I even got the evil vaccine three or four times and i've not collapsed yet. Although my DNA has been irreversibly altered, and I'll probably perish before the end of this year.
On 4 Mar 2023 at 10:32pm Tom Pain wrote:
Your ability to tell me what I don't think is reaching it's nadir- some hope! It equals your adroitness in avoiding answering any questions that may arise and the use of estimated information. Your statistics are useless bearing in mind that their parameters changed when the newflu appeared, as coincidentally, did the qualifications for a "pandemic". From covid, with covid, near covid, next to covid etc etc. I really don't know if you believe them or just find them politically or personally expedient. Your deep concern for the elderly is very touching coming from an ageist eugenicist like you, forgive me if I have a senior moment of hysterics. We do seem to have wandered of the subject of the thread a little, no wonder nev has given up the debate in protest.
On 4 Mar 2023 at 11:13pm Green Sleeves wrote:
The parameters don't change when it comes to excess deaths. They rose sharply during a pandemic, which is to be expected. If there wasn't a pandemic and excess deaths rose sharply, we would wonder what on earth was going on....but there was clearly a pandemic which clogged up virtually every countrys health system, so the excess deaths make sense. Unless you attribute them to something else.
On 5 Mar 2023 at 11:04am Nevillman wrote:
I haven't given up the debate in protest Tom and still derive pleasure from reading your posts. Unlike you however, I prefer to participate when I think I have something to say rather than use the forum to insult people with opposing views. I also try to read and understand what someone else is saying and whether I have something to say on the topic before responding. Try that Tom.
It's incredible how everything you accuse green of in your last post eg avoiding the subject, using estimated statistics, telling people what they don't think applies to your post.
I'm not expecting a reasoned response to this post Tom. Just the usual insults.
On 5 Mar 2023 at 11:07am Green Sleeves wrote:
I only used "estimated" statistics when it came to recorded covid deaths. While that may well be disputable and something for the covidiots to cling on to (very dubiously), excess deaths can't be manipulated or explained. Unless you think that either a) deaths were just made up or b) more people died as a result of being locked down. Or that flu-seasons were just SUPER bad for some peculiar reasons....
On 5 Mar 2023 at 11:19am Tom Pain wrote:
The health systems clog up every flu season, the news is full of it every year. The excess deaths go up in the flu season every year. The thing you and the "news" are studiously ignoring is- why they're still high.
On 5 Mar 2023 at 11:35am Green Sleeves wrote:
No flu-season spikes in the way it did in 2020 and 2021, don't be so disingenuous. The covid deaths have dropped significantly, we're not getting similar spikes in excess deaths like in 2020, 2021. Now that could be explained by the virus weakening and natural immunity working better now, but the facts can't be denied.....excess deaths have come down from the pandemic peaks. Perhaps you think this is better explained by a global conspiracy centred around an alpine village in Switzerland between the world elites/overlords.
On 5 Mar 2023 at 11:48am Tom Pain wrote:
Perhaps you have heard Lord Acton's - " power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". It's a bit more convincing than your Swiss village idiocy.
On 5 Mar 2023 at 12:25pm Green Sleeves wrote:
You are the one fretting about a gathering at a swiss village, but i'm sure that quoting a 19th century peer ends the argument.
On 6 Mar 2023 at 10:36am Tom Pain wrote:
Oh you're referring to Davos where the most influential and POWERFUL people in the world gather. Yes they probably just chat about the weather, football results and the dreadful rise in private school fees; nothing to see there. I don't recall ever mentioning it but I'm sure you fantasize about it regularly.
On 6 Mar 2023 at 2:15pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Its hardly a top secret gathering...its been happening for decades and influential people do tend to meet regularly...i know you feel left out though. How dare they propose 15 minute cities in my absense! I dont want well planned local amenities, its way too communist and probably has something sinister about being more efficient and using less carbon emitting resources. Which is insane. We should be more wasteful and polluting as 0.1% of scientists think climate change is a scam.
On 6 Mar 2023 at 8:00pm Tom Pain wrote:
Meanwhile, Obama's beachfront real estate is still no nearer the tide line.
On 6 Mar 2023 at 9:03pm Green Sleeves wrote:
That sounds like some sort of right-wing soundbite. Both unfunny, and utterly irrelevant.
On 7 Mar 2023 at 7:59am Nevillman wrote:
Not even accurate Tom. The sea level at Obama's beachfront property has risen by an eighth of an inch for each of the 2 years he has been living there. Sadly the average sea level rise per annum is increasing but it's unlikely he'll be having the tide line lapping permanently at his doorstep in his lifetime just as you and I are unlikely to see coastal towns and Lewes permanently inundated in our lifetimes Tom.
So that's all right then isn't it Tom.
On 7 Mar 2023 at 7:57pm Tom Pain wrote:
A perfect description of you sleevie. Well the ex pres wont have to worry either. Did you know that the sea level rises in inter glacial periods and sinks again when glaciation resumes. Whole continents are said to rise and fall over millions of years. New coral islands are forming in the maldives. The co2 levels were much higher in the past and life flourished. You're not guilt tripping me, are you nev, with that last remark? If you two would only find out what money really is and how the fairy dust is created, you'd realise what a bunch of con men and illusionists are running the show and stop believing and repeating their farrago of lies, half lies and malicious innuendos.
On 7 Mar 2023 at 11:24pm Green Sleeves wrote:
You'd NEVER be fooled by con men eh TP? 