On 31 Aug 2018 at 5:23pm Dan Johnson wrote:
Hello Lewes, I am about to be taken to court by One Parking Solutions who manage the parking bays outside Laura Ashley. I parked twice in as many weeks in the same bay, with a pay and display ticket, believing that to be sufficient. The fact that an enormous sign on the floor across the whole area says Pay and display kind of fooled me! I am determined not to pay these crooks, and so I'm asking for statements by anyone who has also been caught out by the misleading signage, and parked in the wrong bay.
On 31 Aug 2018 at 6:54pm nancy wrote:
Lots of online advice to handle these shysters. You could start with moneysavingexpert.
On 31 Aug 2018 at 7:16pm Parker wrote:
There is also a big sign by the machine that clearly states you must be in a Pay & Display bay, I don’t think there is any misleading signage. I believe there are two bays for permit holders and they are marked as such. Good luck with any appeal.
On 31 Aug 2018 at 7:30pm demon wrote:
lewes council is the most corrupt council there is.
On 31 Aug 2018 at 7:31pm demon wrote:
and i dont care wot anyone says .it is
On 31 Aug 2018 at 9:17pm Marco wrote:
@demon...I don’t see what “LewesCouncil” have to do with this.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 7:13am Sign of the times wrote:
The bays are clearly, individually marked. There are at least 5 T&C signs at head height and cameras covering the whole area. Anyone getting 'caught' here has no one to blame but themselves. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Lewes Council, whoever they are. It is private land and the owners can do as they wish with it, within the law, which they are doing. This is just another example fo the self entitled little poppets of Lewes getting upset because someone dared to say 'no' to them. Pay up and move on. There are countless other spaces nearby. They are not 'crooks', if they were they would be prosecuted like any other 'crook'. Instead it is you who will prosecuted.....Good luck.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 8:26am Motorist wrote:
If there was no ticket machine pertaining to that area, then how could you pay? You should challenge your penalty.
The car park at Laura Ashley is a deliberate legal scam.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 8:32am Sign of the times wrote:
@motorist... There is a ticket machine there. What is your definition of a 'deliberate legal scam'?. Its either legal (not a scam) or its illegal (scam). They are not doing anything 'illegal'. If they were they would have been stopped long before now. Thats what the law is there for, to prevent people and / or organisations committing offences. The only offence here was committed by the driver who didn't comply with the T&C's laid down clearly by the landowner.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 8:42am Dan johnson wrote:
sign of the times, so you don’t think the huge sign saying pay and display across the whole area is misleading in any way? it doesn’t have to be illegal to be immoral. I believed myself to be parking legally, that’s why I bought a p&d ticket. And I’m not a self entitled popper thank you very much!
On 1 Sep 2018 at 9:12am Sign of the times wrote:
@Dan Johnson, what exactly is immoral about this?. If you had parked within the prescribed T&C's you wouldn't have got a penalty. Plenty of people use those places every day and they don't get penalised. I think the huge sign across the entrance to the parking area is self explanatory and not in any way misleading, it is a pay and display car park. People were complaining about inadequate signage (despite the numerous head height signs dotted around the area), and now they complain that the signage is too much. I would say that is fairly typical of Lewesians. The fact that you 'believed' you did no wrong is irrelevant. The facts are, you did not park within the T&Cs that are clearly laid down by the owners of the parking space and so were landed with a entirely legitimate penalty. There is nothing immoral about that I'm afraid.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 9:30am Sue wrote:
I've walked past it often, cutting through to Waitrose. When they first marked the bays I spent weeks wondering which business was PD. Stupidity on my part, maybe, but if the sign next to the paying machine said 'park in a P&D bay only', in big letters above the small print, it would help. I feel sorry for foreign tourists, trying to work out parking machine instructions when their command of English isn't perfect.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 9:35am bored wrote:
One Parking Solution Ltd, formerly Ethical Parking Management Ltd, formerly VM Parking limited, formerly etc etc.
A brief look through internet shows their business model is mostly based around issuing private land use fines such as Dan (this is not a parking ticket). Often this small area of private land is next to a car park, I wonder why? That and 'managing' small car parks where they have lots of complaints for overzealous attempts to fine etc.
Since when we were on the side of companies that behave like this? Disappointing to see so many gloating and feeling clever for pointing out that Dan was technically in the wrong.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 10:09am Sign of the times wrote:
The usual self pitying bleating from 'bored'. Try it with your council tax or your utilities supplier. Try not adhering to the T&C's laid down for the provision of the service and you will suffer the same. Who is gloating?. There is nothing 'clever' about my argument. It is as plain as daylight. There is nothing 'technically wrong' with what Dan did, he is 100% in the wrong. The area is clearly marked and the consequences for not complying are well signed and well known. There's nothing sinister going on here and wether I agree with the land owners or not is irrelevant. They own the land are legally entitled to enforce their T&Cs upon anyone using their land. Dan didn't park within the rules of the car park and is being penalised for doing so. End of.
On 1 Sep 2018 at 10:29am Mark wrote:
5ish years ago it was clearly a scam. The sign was A4 size and was about 10 feet up the wall on the front of Laura Ashley and there was no machine. Just a tiny sign saying that if you park there you'll be ticketed. The firm appear to have gone a bit straighter. Made things somewhat clearer. Probably too many successful appeals against tickets. I do hope they're manage to get more money out of people like Dan nowadays!!!!
On 1 Sep 2018 at 12:06pm It was me 5 years ago... wrote:
as I've said here before - I drove in - looked @ the sign, got in my car and drove off because I understood the ( badly positioned ) sign . Before I got in I gave the CCTV The Finger. LOL
On 1 Sep 2018 at 3:42pm bored wrote:
A self pitying post would imply I was Dan. I am not. Play the ball, not the man.
Is a fine which is of significant value really proportional or fair in this instance? If my broadband provider fails to provide me with the service I provide I get a pro rata rebate. E.g. if my bills is £30 a month and it's down for a week I get £7.
Yet for overstaying or making a small mistake Dan incurs a large punitive penalty. Not equal or fair in terms of breach of contract or repercussions.
If you do have anything else to say please keep it polite. Thanks.
On 2 Sep 2018 at 3:40pm No Pot Pourri wrote:
It is a bit unusual to have some bays P & D and some for permits but this happens everywhere. They could make it more obvious by using different colour road markings,. Overall, I think that £1 an hour is not too bad.
Maybe Dan could write to them and appeal to their better nature, and would be even better if he has ever parked with them legitimately.
On 2 Sep 2018 at 7:28pm @SOTT wrote:
You’re getting confused between legal and lawful, you can indeed have a legal scam, but you can’t have a lawful one. I actually use “legal scam” and “lawful scam” to illustrate the difference.
On 2 Sep 2018 at 10:40pm Jean wrote:
I got caught before in their honeytrap. I refused to pay and ignored all the threats from them and now they have dropped it.
The ticket is for trespass as they have no legal right to issue parking tickets.
My friend recently parked in in a non PD bay but had a ticket and they still tried to fine him.
These rogues are opportunist scammers and should be prosecuted themselves.
On 3 Sep 2018 at 9:03am Sign of the times wrote:
@ @SOTT - Fair enough. Point taken.
@ Jean, Prosecuted for what exactly?. You can only be prosecuted for committing a crime, which they have not, and are not, doing. There is always the possibility of bringing a civil action against them, but for what exactly I don't know but I don't fancy anyones chances of success.