On 16 Sep 2012 at 4:27pm p.c wrote:
congratulations to phoenix b.s looked great at mayfield last night
On 16 Sep 2012 at 5:07pm Dumb wrote:
Sorry have I missed something ?? What who are Phoenix ????
On 16 Sep 2012 at 5:29pm Pete wrote:
Oh dear, here we go again....
On 16 Sep 2012 at 8:55pm padster wrote:
It would all be a lot easier if you turncoats remained catholic but no you had to follow some fat arsed war mongering gout ridden misogynist king. bloody popular front of judea..........as a result of your "new" religion you persecuted catholics and murdered them yet you have the cheek to remember your 17 as if they were the only ones to die in these turbulent times.......remember this your still a minority compared to the catholics around the world so enjoy your little fireworks display and continue to fight amongst yourself.
I just cant help myself...God forgive me.
On 16 Sep 2012 at 10:47pm phoenix newbe wrote:
Re dumb, we are the future of carnival, bonfire is dead, posing and winning are our aim, scrounging torches, not helping any bonfire society is our aim,you cant stop us, you're doomed!
On 16 Sep 2012 at 11:28pm Ecilop wrote:
@padster that's almost insighting racial hatred , that's a thin line be careful ,
On 17 Sep 2012 at 6:59am padster wrote:
How ? Explain to me the insighting racial ( I think you mean religious ) hatred bit in my rant ?
And burning the Pope is what exactly ? And no popery banners across cliff high road what's that in relation to religious hatred ? Go on tell me.
The irony .
On 17 Sep 2012 at 8:16am Guy wrote:
Just ban it all. Problems solved and no more puerile bonfire posts.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 8:18am Pete wrote:
Huzzzahhhhh
On 17 Sep 2012 at 8:45am sparky wrote:
@ Phoenix Newbe (sic) I stand corrected. I thought the future of bonfire entailed rugby shirts a plenty gathering round the nearest watering hole, whinging and whining like little girls about "proper bonfire".
On 17 Sep 2012 at 9:23am Sparky wrote:
p.c.......just a point of correction, you can't say "b.s", they are not a society.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 9:57am pedant wrote:
Another correction: the word is "inciting" not "insighting". I despair!
On 17 Sep 2012 at 10:23am Londoner wrote:
Small town, small minds.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 10:31am Pete wrote:
Takes one to know one Londoner.....
On 17 Sep 2012 at 1:24pm p.c wrote:
good point sparky .
On 17 Sep 2012 at 1:59pm padster wrote:
Auto correct on phone . You as ever are correct pedant. Apart from the odd occasion when you too get it wrong. A lesson for all of us I think.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 3:20pm Dan wrote:
Im guessing you are all fat and ugly as well...........
On 17 Sep 2012 at 4:25pm Happy days wrote:
Bonfire forever woooohoooo . its what makes this such a great town. I love all you bonfire haters taking your time to write about it you no you love it really ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha keep it up padster you truly are one funny guy. funny chap who talks crap. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
On 17 Sep 2012 at 4:34pm Bang wrote:
Just want to say im a catholic and love bonfire in lewes. Padster you are so boring get a life.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 4:37pm Londoner wrote:
Pete, answering like a 7 year old in the playground just confirms my point.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 4:53pm padster wrote:
Do you go to mass at st Pancras , bang ? Can one not have a different point of view ? This is after all a forum. Boring is in the eye of the beholder. How do you as a catholic enjoy what is a celebration of protestant reformation over catholic state religion ? As a catholic bang you know the Pope is head of our church yet you enjoy the mocking of the bishops and the grotesque pope Paul v and think that's ok. Sorry what part of the catholic church are you ? The protestant wing ? If your going call me boring put a little meat on the bones tell me why I'm boring. Tell me why one can be catholic and enjoy the 5th ? I would love to know. I admit some aspects of this show are great and very enjoyable. Cliff e a different kettle of fish.
On 17 Sep 2012 at 5:52pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Actually, Padster, I think a lot of trouble might have been saved if the Synod of Whitby had made a different decision, but heigh ho........
On 17 Sep 2012 at 10:43pm Mme B wrote:
I agree, ACT, and which end of a boiled egg should one eat from? These are important issues.
On 18 Sep 2012 at 7:46am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Oh, the round end, always.
Milk in first or afterwards, Mmme B?
On 18 Sep 2012 at 7:55am padster wrote:
Depends....if your making tea in a pot ( Gold standard) then milk first but as i have found when using a tea bag, milk second.
ps the thin end for boiled egg..........
Interesting ACT about the synod of whitby i had never herd of it. I looked it up to read about it sadly i cant tell you much about it as i feel asleep after about 2 minutes.
On 18 Sep 2012 at 11:55am Ed Can Do wrote:
Padster, I suspect you're just a troll out for a reaction but for the umpteenth time, why can you not tell the difference between villifying a historical figure and having something against a certain religion?
Notwithstanding the fact that celbrating the thwarting of the gunpowder plot is a legal obligation, the no poery sentiments and papal effigies are aimed at a certain pope, not "The pope". Do apply the same logic to other things too? Do you turn up at performances of Richard III to protest about the unfair treatment of British monarchy? Would you refuse to watch a film about the second world war because you know some really nice Germans?
On 18 Sep 2012 at 12:57pm padster wrote:
Ed your criticism of me is simplistic and for the umpteenth time let me explain my point. The burning of pope Paul v is somewhat of a smokescreen as the reality is you are openly burning the office of the pope. Argue against that all you like but that is the fact. Why not stop burning a grotesque image of a pope representative of the head of the catholic church ? If you did do this would it dilute the celebrations of the 5th ? I don't think it would but deeply imbedded in this celebration is the success of the reformation over Catholicism so there is the reason for no popery. Also if you look at the history you will see no popery was a rallying cry for all things anti catholic . I don't for a second think the vast majority at the bonfire celebrants feel anti Catholic all I am saying is cliffe need to STOP with the no popery banner and burning the pope. Remember all the English Catholics some from Sussex who died because they refused to renounce their faith. When shall we celebrate these martyrs? I look sadly at the destroyed ruins of our lovely priori a victim of religious intolerance.
Enjoy you celebration please try and not patronise my views . You sounded almost pious !
On 18 Sep 2012 at 1:10pm padster wrote:
Ps what are you on about with the German film and Richard the 3rd thing. Really unclear analogy if you can call it that.
On 18 Sep 2012 at 2:18pm Ed Can Do wrote:
My point was that Richard III is a deeply critical play of King Richard III, painting him as a villain whereas in reality he was a great social reformer and did wonders for dragging much of the population out of poverty. I was saying that claiming that burning effigies of a historical pope is no more generally anti-catholic than putting on a performance of Richard III is generally anti-monarchy. Likewise, the Germans are often protrayed in a pretty bad light in war films. This doesn't mean that the film makers or audience are anti-German.
It's true that the particular period in history saw pretty horrendous death tolls on both sides of the Christian spectrum but because we specifically remember the protestant martyrs does not mean no thought is spared for the catholics too. A big part of Bonfire is remembrance in general, the reason all the societies pay their respects at the war memorial.
I'd wager that the vast majority of bonfire society members aren't religious themselves, given the general increased secularism in modern society and of those that are religious, you'll find a diverse mix of beliefs. I'd certainly be amazed if you could find more than a tiny handful of people who harbour genuine anti-catholic thoughts and you'd probably find about the same percentage in any random sample of the population of a similar size.
In this country we have a long history of belittling authority figures. That's why we burn the prime minister and the president of the USA and Gadaffi and whoever else, it's a form of protest and expression. When Cliffe burned George Bush, there wasn't a huge outcry from the US and the vast numbers of Tories living round here kept quiet when Cameron went up.
I fear you are intent on taking offence and that's your perogative but you really should chill out a bit and just enjoy bonfire night for the spectacle it is. Join a bonfire society, you might even enjoy it!
On 18 Sep 2012 at 2:24pm Penguin wrote:
It's pretty clear what Ed was talking about Padster. So what are your thoughts about Guy Fawkes then? You know, the one that is burnt on Bonfire Night the length and breadth of the country. Are you as appalled by that? Do you consider him to represent Catholicism, after all he was acting in the name of Pope Paul V, or do you consider him to be the terrorist that he was? Maybe you think that burning his effigy is a harmless tradition?
On 18 Sep 2012 at 2:58pm padster wrote:
I am not particularly bother re burning of effigies of the said guy Fawkes , he was a man found to be part of a plot to blow up parliament. He does not represent catholics rather a militant bunch who felt extreme times called for extreme measures. Does that answer your question penguin? He may or may not of been acting in the name of pope Paul V , i don't recall in history the pope wishing publicly that the English parliament be blown up. I don't think you can make that assumption. Burning effigies of guido are different than burning effigies of the pope, but lets not go over old ground.
Ed i agree with a lot of what you say and i think i have said it earlier, although people only read what they want to read. I've said it before and ill say it again cliffe burn the pope other societies don't , well done to them , sadly for cliffe they remain stuck in their sectarian ways. the free Presbyterian church isn't located in cliffe by accident they don't have their bonfire prayers by accident, Ian paisley and rangers fans don't visit by accident that church refuses to march with all other Lewes churches such as Easter, we should call them millwall. No one likes them they don't care.
I hope you all have a safe and enjoyable bonfire and i will continue to not join in.
Regards.
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On 18 Sep 2012 at 10:19pm Enoch wrote:
So how was Mayfield then? Was it a good night?
On 19 Sep 2012 at 11:24am JP wrote:
my immediate thought was 'b.s.' meant bull sh*t
On 19 Sep 2012 at 11:35am Penguin wrote:
OK Padster, so where do you draw the line. Who is fair game to be burnt in effigy, and who isn't, and why?
On 19 Sep 2012 at 2:54pm padster wrote:
it's all about the context for goodness sake. So its not fair game to burn the pope figurehead and mock Latin mass in a celebration about the over the reformation. It's not fair game for the orange order to march outside a catholic church when a parades commission banned it. fair game is a difficult line and in a free society people should express themselves how they wish and make political comment how they wish. Being offended is not a crime and i don't mind being offended. SO the answer is everything is fair game and in some ways people will always disagree with what you think is fair game. Just think on this , the 5th burns the pope EVERY year is this necessary? if it is no longer a sectarian protestant V catholic thing anymore and much more current why not stop burning the pope and stick to more current figures?
On 19 Sep 2012 at 3:53pm csbs wrote:
Hi padster if you think only the cliffe burn a effigy of your beloved pope maybe you should pop down to our firesite as we also burn a fantastic effigy pope paul v happy days
On 19 Sep 2012 at 4:01pm kings and queens wrote:
What about southover ???????