On 15 Jul 2008 at 8:23pm Madge wrote:
This forum is getting a bit boring...doesnt anyone have anything new & enjoyable or interesting to talk about, even something contraversial would be nice to get everyone involved. Nothing much happening round me so I look forward to reading the posts on here. Feel free to have a dig at me if that inspires you! :-)
On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:21pm Zola wrote:
Are you on a wind up Madge? I have been well entertained over the last few weeks with the posts on this site....
On 16 Jul 2008 at 2:08pm dats wrote:
It's controversial, not contraversial ;-) ooh I feel mean now, but you did ask!
On 16 Jul 2008 at 9:52pm Roly Mo wrote:
How about a thread about people who are not from the immediate area, who are trying to turn Lewes into Little London? Am I allowed to call them "Outsiders", or is that derogatory and racist?
On 16 Jul 2008 at 10:07pm Janet Street Preacher wrote:
They are known as DFLs (Down From Londons) they shop in Adamzewski, Wickle and Flint eat at Bills during the day and Pelham House in the evening. They don't integrate well, don't understand Bonfire but invite all their old London buddies down for some mulled wine while they view the quaint proceedings from their upstairs window. and they always avoid the little fat men in the stripey jumpers.
Their little darlings are called Quentin and Saskia and ride wooden bikes with no pedals. They can't see what's wrong with the parking scheme as they park their eco-friendly Smart car that runs on organic chip fat in the drive. They recycle everything because Annabel next door does and she's been here longer.
You can call them Outsiders if you want
On 17 Jul 2008 at 6:33am expat two wrote:
JSP, you describe 'outsiders' in terms remarkably similar to the way some Brightonians describe Lewesians. You wouldn't believe what I had to endure when I told my mates I was moving to Lewes. Its not racist at all, just bigoted. Its a tragic consequence of modernism that we all end up irrationally hating one tribe or another. The rich, the poor, the black, the travellers, the oldies, the youth, the foreigner, the northerner, the cyclist, the driver, the jew, the atheist - they'll all be on the recieving end of lamely justified hate campaigns, most of them on this site. Even the wettest liberals unconditionally hate some sections of society. Don't get me wrong JSP, your toffs sound as abhorrent to me as the next man, I'm just not sure they come from London, more likely The Wallands.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 8:43am The Tooth Fairy wrote:
I must say Janet, that sums up the dfl issue quite delightfully,
though most of the ones I know drive a huge Audi.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 9:34am catherine wheel wrote:
I must say, its their parenting skills I love . They encourage their children to "express" themselves . which basically means letting their children do exactly as they please, dressing them in fairy wings and wellies, while the children are rude, demanding ans usually just a bit out of control, all the time thinking its CUTE ! Not the kids fault they have not been taught any better. The most amusing thing of all is watching and listening to them trying to "reason" with a 3 year old, while they are having a tantrum. Most parents out their know that cannot be done!! But what do we know.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 11:16am pearlyking wrote:
LOL this made me laugh! I've moved down from London and cant afford to shop in any of those shops mentioned above. I don't have a 4x4, drink wine (Harvey's for me) and not in the slightist posh. stereo typing seems to be a major problem with this site.
Its better to have Adamzewski, Wickle, Flint and Bills etc than pound shops, Macdonlds, Lidl.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 12:08pm catherine wheel wrote:
Lewes was a market town when we still had the market and very much working class, you would be surprised how many people would like to see a pound shop, mcdonalds, peacocks etc etc. A minority use wickle, flint etc mainly tourists being ripped off. We used to have so many high street stores in the seventies and eighties and it was so much better. Sick to death of people telling us what we dont need in Lewes and how lucky we are to have shops we cant afford to shop in.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 12:08pm Roly Mo wrote:
Thats the type of shops we used to have (of sorts). Nothing wrong with those types of shops, at least they have a purpose. Expat 2- where do you think the people from the Wallands moved down from? You can guarentee they are not Lewesians.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 12:11pm Roly Mo wrote:
Well said Catherine Wheel. Remember the times when we had Liptons, International, Square One (a bit like Peacocks), Dorothy Perkins, a pound shop in the Cliffe, Next, Iceland and I could go on.......... I hope we get an Aldi.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 12:40pm Taff wrote:
Speaking as an alien myself, all of 38 years now I must add the old cliche to this conversation. Why do people feel they need to move location and then try and change it into what they left behind?
Personally, I love the town, especially bonfire and I have no time or desire to discuss it with any other equally alien although anti bonfire DFLs or FAEs(from anywhere else). If they have a complaint take it up with the solicitor who did your search, after all you did pay for that service. If they didnt tell you about it...................tough poos and next time get a better solicitor.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 1:54pm Mr Tumble wrote:
Where are you from, Taff?
On 17 Jul 2008 at 2:00pm dats wrote:
I remember most of the others, but where was Dorothy Perkins?
On 17 Jul 2008 at 3:09pm Roly Mo wrote:
At the top of the town, possibly where the St Peter & St James Hospice shop is (or thereabouts)
On 17 Jul 2008 at 3:38pm Taff wrote:
You would be surprised just how many people wouldnt know the answer to that one Mr Tumble.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 8:08pm Lord Pike wrote:
I'm a DFL, but I came to Lewes because my home in SW London stopped being a normal community and became overrun with yuppies and rich Americans and South Africans. The local cornershops closed down and were replaced with expensive restaurants and poncey shops selling overpriced 'designer' clothes and home furnishings. I lived in this area in 1975 and decided to move here because I'd always loved this area.
I know there are a lot of DFLs who see this place as some sort of quaint backdrop to their lives. They laugh at the parochial elements of Lewes and would never admit that the reason they left North London was that it was becoming too 'ethnic'. People like that are the reason I left London.
However there are also lots of DFLs who came here because they love this town and down want to live somewhere full of poncey yuppies.
I would love to see the demise of Adam Czewski and all of those precious little shops that sell twee, overpriced tat to the chattering classes. Let's have some proper shops!
On 17 Jul 2008 at 8:47pm Ben wrote:
Observation: Lots of people on this thread seem to be berating other people for wanting to change Lewes to be a certain way, and then in the next breath saying how they'd like it to change it to be a certain other way. Strange.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 9:11pm Roly Mo wrote:
Please explain Ben.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 9:53pm FA wrote:
Well i took myself off to Burgess Hill today....An item i wanted wasn't in stock in Lewes Argos but was in BH.
They had a superb butcher in the arcade, Wilkinsons was a joy, Peacocks had cheap clothes, Iceland was it's usual good value and it cost me 40p to park for nearly 2 hours
Spent a small fortune.....but not a twee shop, an antique shop or hairdressers in sight.
Of course i'd much prefer to walk down to Lewes high street and do the same....but not a chance
On 17 Jul 2008 at 10:02pm Ben wrote:
By all means hope for an Aldi, but don't deny the Wicklytes their overpriced tat. Diversity is good, innit.
On 17 Jul 2008 at 10:41pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
They've got a Wilko's in Burgess Hill!?
As Leslie Philips would say, 'Bingo!'
On 18 Jul 2008 at 9:02am sashimi wrote:
Has anyone asked themselves why so many DFLs have moved down here. Could it be that very many locals have seen an opportunity to sell the family home at a greedy London price rather than pass it on to the next generation?
On 18 Jul 2008 at 9:14am The Tooth Fairy wrote:
That is one of the most stupid postings ever to have appeared on this forum. Tell us sasy. how is the 'greedy family' able to afford the next home they buy if they don't sell at market price?
On 18 Jul 2008 at 9:15am FA wrote:
Indeed sir....and a mighty fine one it is too. Could never have something so disgustingly lower class in Lewes eh....pip pip !
On 18 Jul 2008 at 9:32am Roly Mo wrote:
So should we all be getting prospective buyers to fill out a survey on where they are from. If you are desperate to sell do you just hold on for a local? Get real sashimi.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 9:35am Ben wrote:
@FA: Why would you prefer to do the same in Lewes - why don't you move to Burgess Hill? Honest question.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 12:41pm Roly Mo wrote:
Maybe he enjoys living here, but would rather have some shops which are actually functional.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 1:23pm JN wrote:
So tell me all you people who hail originally from Lewes. When you sell up and retire to Seaford or wherever, are you going to sell at the current market value (i.e. pushed up by outsiders moving into the town, like myself who works hard and wants a better quality of life for my family than I had growing up). Or are you going to stick to your principles and sell at say Burgess Hill prices.....thought not. Ah the smell of hypocrisy!!
On 18 Jul 2008 at 2:05pm Goozee wrote:
Ahhhh I have been reading stuff on this forum for months now since I moved down from horrid horrid London. I haven't really wanted to contribute so far just to get a feel of the place first as I didn't want a bashing for being a DFL. But I have to say I LOVE LEWES. It is the best move I ever made moving here. It is the ONLY place I have lived in that has felt like a real home. I love my little cottage, I love everything about Lewes and yes, I bring my old London mates down and they love it. We aren't poncy, just wanted some life back into our miserable existence in the smoke. Best thing I ever did and I hope I live in lewes forever. Please note though, most people in London are not Londoners, they move there. God bless em!!! Hopefully like me they wise up and reaslise there are places in the country like Lewes where they can get some quality back in their lives and focus on what is important. Family, friends, beautiful beautiful countryside and some tradition. A rare thing I think.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 2:09pm SHS wrote:
It is very difficult to 'pass on to the next generation' - the UK government has a big stick called inheritance tax which it uses to break up communities and ensure it collects a nice little earner called stamp duty.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 2:13pm Ben wrote:
Thanks for that Roly Mo. I'm sure FA can speak for himself.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 2:32pm Taff wrote:
Goozee you sound like you do not belong to the 'sect' that want to change things to what they left behind and that is good news. Lewes will change as others move in and out but it willbe gradual, its the instant change wanted by some DFLs that is unreasonable.
Been here 38 years myself, moved away for a bit and returned 93 and frankly it was the best thing I ever did.
However the rate of change has seemed to have accelerated over the last 10 years or so. Whether thats people, politics or just the whole world becoming more cosmepolitan I dont know, probably some of all 3 with additional too.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 3:07pm Goozee wrote:
Yes, I can understand where you are coming from. Think people just need to get back to basics sometimes and realise what materialism does to the soul and understand what is valuable in their lives. That's the problem with people in London, they have forgotten whats good about things and are too busy on the hamster wheel trying to keep up, constantly looking over their shoulders waiting for the next kicking by their employers. I am afraid to say I am still working in the place so yes I am a commuter but hopefully I can move closer to home soon.
Anyway, I'll stop being sanctimonious. I will protest and stick up for anything that happens in Lewes that would ruin it. I'd hate to see anything change about Lewes. Shame sometimes as it can be inevitable but I'll attend the marches etc that happen. Everyone has to have their say and make a stand.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 5:28pm FA wrote:
I'd move there like a shot if i could Ben but my daughter's settled in her school, it's further to travel to work for me and my wife, plus the general crap that is selling and buying houses is a nightmare.
I've lived here for 40 years and all my family and friends are here too plus i like my home here and have spent a considderable time and money getting it to how i want it.
On 18 Jul 2008 at 7:19pm Double standards wrote:
Sashimi, I don't think you should refer to them as DFL's it might hurt their feelings. They are allowed to settle where ever they like.
On 19 Jul 2008 at 8:02am Ben wrote:
Interesting. What I was getting at was that for me, shops are one small part of what makes a successful place to live. (And believe me, compared to the deprived but just about affordable area of London that we moved down from, Lewes has an almost impossibly diverse range of shops). The other things that are important to me are things like quality of the schools and leisure facilities, access to green spaces, a vibrant social scene, and good public transport. And to be honest, a lower-than-average proportion of identikit high street brands is a plus for me too. It would be a shame if the retail offer in Lewes became like every other town in the UK, wouldn't it? As for functional, I've very rarely had to go outside Lewes to get anything I've needed since I moved here. There isn't a huge choice, maybe, but that's a different matter for different thread (how Lewes needs the Phoenix development to help improve its retail market...?). I find it odd that the existence of a handful of expensive gift shops incites such anger on this forum; they're only shops, after all.
On 19 Jul 2008 at 11:49am DFL wrote:
THAT'S IT IM CALLING THE POLICE I'VE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE CALLING US DFL'S
On 19 Jul 2008 at 12:15pm FA wrote:
The shops do form the hub of the community though Ben and a town can often be judged (maybe not the right word) by it's shopping centres.
I know so many people who hate Lewes because of this and many will travel to Uckfield, B.Hill, Crowborough and Tun. Wells to go shopping.
I think what P's a lot of people off is the amount of one type of shop that's in the town....namely antique shops and hairdressers. The other thing is these small indipendant shops such as Adamawskaormnsgekejiii (or whatever his name is) by the memorial selling an egg cup for 300......i know they don't but you know where i'm coming from. In other words, this town only caters for the super rich.
A decent market maybe on a saturday morning has been discussed at length on here in the past and almost everyone is for the idea. The boot fair is already becming more commercialised with regular traders rather than joe public selling his "tat" and i don't have a problem with that as long as the balance is maintained.
On 19 Jul 2008 at 2:58pm Double Standards wrote:
Quite right DFL, that's how it all started back in 1938 with the nazi's etc etc.
On 20 Jul 2008 at 7:56pm Enoch wrote:
JN - Why would someone who has lived in Lewes all their life sell up and move to Seaford for my retirement - Greyfriars seems perfect!
On 20 Jul 2008 at 10:20pm Sashka wrote:
I'd like someone to tell me what 'somone from London' means exactly. I have lived in london, and we are quite near it here anyway so am I someone from, or near London?. I moved here from a different city so am I an outsider? Do the people who resent 'londoners' etc never go beyond Offham and Kingston?
On 20 Jul 2008 at 10:28pm Roly Mo wrote:
No (and thats the way I like it).
On 20 Jul 2008 at 10:46pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:
'I have lived in london'
Well sashka, we'd NEVER have guessed that.
'and we are quite near it here anyway'
Only someone like you would make such a stupid comment.
Face it sas, you are and always will be, ''somone from London'
(And as you don't know what that is, try asking next time your having a latte at Bills, sitting on the pavement naturally)
On 21 Jul 2008 at 10:38am Enoch wrote:
Funny I thought London was just over an hour away on the train, so not "quite near" in fact a flippin long way away. Someone from London means someone who has moved to Lewes from London. Says it all really. Its not difficult!
On 21 Jul 2008 at 3:55pm Janet Street Preacher wrote:
Is that better Madge?
On 21 Jul 2008 at 5:58pm Sashka wrote:
So would you be happier if we put barriers up, and ban all incoming people and goods from outside the town, and allow nothing out, such as sewage, criminals, and people needing medical care,.
or is there some leaway?
On 21 Jul 2008 at 6:47pm Roly Mo wrote:
Can I just point out that my response of "no (and thats the way I like it) was in response to Sashka asking if the people who resent londoners never go beyond Offham & Kingston). Just wanted to clear that up. FA, I can't believe you travelled as far as Burgess Hill!!
On 21 Jul 2008 at 6:50pm Roly Mo wrote:
We could have a three mile inclusion zone. And passport control.
On 21 Jul 2008 at 7:51pm sashka wrote:
We could all get very hungry, dirty, and sick, and the 'Lewes blood only' policy could cause some serious genetic mutations but I admire your determined vision.
maybe you could stand in the next election with a manifesto of a berlin style wall (flood protection?) the passport idea, and a cull or banishment of 'londoners' Then this town will be getting somewhere.
On 21 Jul 2008 at 8:03pm Mr Tumble wrote:
At least you know who are true Lewesians- webbed feet, sticky out teeth and ears, and crossed eyes. We are a gorgeous bunch though. Sashka, you take things far too seriously.
On 21 Jul 2008 at 10:04pm Sashka wrote:
what on earth makes you think I am serious!
if there is any such thing as lewesain, i might qualify. How far back do you need to go with the ancestry? am I allowed webbed feet from some Brightonian genes, or is that too outsiderish? Please let me stay.
On 21 Jul 2008 at 10:45pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:
You have no chance dear, my ancestors rode into town in the mid 1700's and thus I consider myself a 'newby'.
On 21 Jul 2008 at 11:20pm sashka wrote:
I think you should leave now then, and take your C18th new money with you
I m sure my ancestors were living in a thatched hut and cleaning the castle drains, long before your fancy 'horses' and other such outsider novelties ruined the purity of the town.
On 22 Jul 2008 at 12:57am Dunk wrote:
I reckon my ancestors were just down the road fermenting cheese making it a bit pongy in order to ward off invaders! ha ha ha!