On 24 Oct 2017 at 9:59pm Barbara Rees wrote:
So much controversy over this
1, are borough going to pull zulus from their ranks
2, do they think the publicity is good
3, are commercial going to pull their Indians
It's so very close and decisions need to be made
On 24 Oct 2017 at 10:38pm Rb wrote:
2. Not bothered
On 24 Oct 2017 at 10:42pm Barbara Rees wrote:
Are you just not bothered
On 24 Oct 2017 at 10:49pm Menthal wrote:
Why would commercial pull their Indians when mana many members have been to the us and asked the does it offend you question, with the answer being a resounding no.
On 24 Oct 2017 at 10:54pm Barbara Rees wrote:
But the zulus don't offend everyone either
So what's the difference
Probably be much simpler just to eradicate them both , then everyone is happy
On 24 Oct 2017 at 11:08pm Nobody wrote:
This campaign and the Hopkins nonsense are being driven by a few unhappy people who are projecting their own disturbed and anxious mental state onto the rest of us.
They really need to find something important to do like gardening or maybe looking after frail old people rather than stirring up trouble.
On 24 Oct 2017 at 11:21pm Menthal wrote:
@barbara reed, Somewhere somehow somebody will be offended by something. Probably simpler to ban everything.
On 24 Oct 2017 at 11:27pm Borough Chairman wrote:
1. No, Never!
2. All publicity is good! Memberships is climbing fast!!!
3. Ask Commercial!
On 24 Oct 2017 at 11:50pm Sl wrote:
Who do you define as everyone? That certainly does not include me as part of your everyone!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 1:13am Pitchfork wielder wrote:
Hopkins can do one.
Leave Bonfire alone!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 7:48am Sam wrote:
Dear nobody, surely ranking the Hopkins debate with the racial argument about bonfire was a foolish move? That just suggests that all those that wear Zulu's or Indian costumes are Katie Hopkins fans and therefore racists bigots, exactly the point they are trying to deny!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 9:36am Barbara Rees wrote:
Unfortunately I think you will be forced to get rid of them in the end
Time will tell
They offend people so much
On 25 Oct 2017 at 9:52am Barbara Rees wrote:
And unfortunately the no never
Just doesn't wash it's 2017
People have rights not to be offended
On 25 Oct 2017 at 9:57am Hot Lips wrote:
Oh barbara. The only people offended by them are your type. You would get offended by black pudding. Go away.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 9:57am Angry local wrote:
Barbara, it is your type of thinking that is destroying the fabric of our country, who does the zulu's offend? I think its best we look at you and those people, than the borough (and commercial) - disgustingly short sited narrow minded supposed lefties - like someone earlier suggested, go and do your gardening, and further delete the internet and leave the rest of the world alone!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 10:06am Confused.com wrote:
Deeply ironic that there are so many defensive Bonfire bods showing profound offence at the suggestion they change one element of a costume worn by a few members of a single society.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 10:14am Barbara Rees wrote:
Oh dear oh dear
In actual fact I think it's a marvellous costume and the time money and effort that goes into it must be astronomical
I am merely saying times are changing and alot of people get offended
I certainly don't
But your on mass slagging off is quite amusing
On 25 Oct 2017 at 10:23am The Greek wrote:
As a massive "leftie" I also support bonfire. I'll get my popcorn...
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:07am Clifford wrote:
Are there many actual Zulus living in Lewes who have said they feel offended?
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:08am Precis wrote:
Basically we are all trolling each other.
Some people are busy getting upset on behalf of someone who isnt.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:13am Borough Chairman wrote:
Barbara Rees, I'm very much aware what the year is! Next year will be 2018 and we will still have the Zulus walking proud through the streets of Lewes and Sussex and with all this publicity probably even more Zulus!!! And no washes very well actually! The only thing we struggle washing is the black face paint!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:27am Offendedbutthat'sok wrote:
Actually, Barbara, people don't actually have a "right" not to be offended - just as well, or we'd all have to stay at home not saying anything, since we'd be bound to offend someone somewhere, and this forum would certainly not be allowed - you seem to have offended (perhaps rightly, depending on your point of view) quite a lot of people - what about their "rights"? Let's at least try and be logical.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:49am Confused.com wrote:
Can someone, perhaps Borough Chairman, explain how their stance on this is not driven by their perceived offence at being told these actions are racist? Such hypocrisy it's beyond belief.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 12:24pm Slarty wrote:
A few films/TV programmes where white men have blacked up: Tropic Thunder, Little Britain, Mission Impossible, Hustle, every film that Sasha Cohen Baron has been in, The Lone Ranger (2013 version), A Mighty Heart, League of Gentlemen (actually had a black man “black up”!), not to mention any white actor that has played Othello. I’ll take the loan ranger as an example where Johnny Depp acted as a native american – do you (or did/does) anyone think that that is racist? Or Mission Impossible where Tom Cruize disguised himself as a black man – racist? If this is not racist, please explain the difference between a white man pretending to be a black character in a film and in Lewes (from a racist point of view).
And a few where black men have whited up: Watermelon Man, Saturday Night Live, Coming to America, The Nutty Professor, True Identity, White Chicks (where black men dress as white ladies, so sexist too I guess). Lenny Henry has “whited up” lots of time. Again, no thought of racism here, or is there?
But try to look like a Zulu and all hell breaks loose.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 12:30pm Debrett wrote:
Wealthy middle class graduates lecturing everyone else on what they can do in their hometown. It's not going to end well....
On 25 Oct 2017 at 12:33pm Bonfire boy proper wrote:
Point well made Slarty, do white people get offended when black people white up, of course we don't, it's just make up and what about badly made up women who choose the wrong colour foundation for their natural skin, of course we're not offended and the Chinese make up used in pantomime, again of course we're not offended, these keyboard warriors are not looking at the bigger picture at all
On 25 Oct 2017 at 12:48pm Light bulb wrote:
Can we not dress up as people from other cultures anymore?No Mexicans in sombreros,no Viking warriors,no Roman centurions etc,Lordy bonfire or any carnival would become very dull.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 12:56pm endoftheouse wrote:
Can I bring my union flag to wave as CSBS play Land of Hope and Glory?
On 25 Oct 2017 at 1:10pm David wrote:
Borough will never pull the zulus out of their ranks and I don't blame them why should they just because of these small minded people
On 25 Oct 2017 at 1:30pm James wrote:
Totally agree with you David
On 25 Oct 2017 at 1:41pm Helen wrote:
Would a zulu costume with a white face be seen as offensive ?
On 25 Oct 2017 at 2:01pm Kevin wrote:
Just asking where has this racism about borough zulus come from and now why they been doing it for years
On 25 Oct 2017 at 2:14pm Rooks Fan wrote:
I find the original poster offensive. I think she should be banned.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 2:19pm Sensitive wrote:
'People have the right not to be offended' ???
What utter utter rubbish!!
It is their decision to be offended or not.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 2:44pm Sharon wrote:
It gets out of hand when the Zulus are being personally threatened by a hate group called diversity . Planning to come to Lewes with intention of major disruption to the procession and harming people . Now that's what I call out of hand . All this needs to stop !!!!
On 25 Oct 2017 at 5:13pm Buzzard wrote:
A few years ago I showed a photo of the Borough Zulus to a black guy from South Africa at work, and asked him what he thought. He had no problems at all and thought the costumes were great.
On 25 Oct 2017 at 7:15pm Bonfire Boy wrote:
NO ONE has a right not to be offended. How dare you even suggest this.
So you're offended? So WHAT??
On 25 Oct 2017 at 11:54pm Sensitive wrote:
I feel I want to be offended that you want to stop Boroughs Zulus marching this year.
That's my choice. I won't try to stop you stopping them though because I respect your right to have an opinion.