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Who's to blame for the parking scheme?

 
 
On 28 Aug 2006 at 5:52pm Roastbeef wrote:
Can anyone actually clarify who and how devised the parking scheme? I'd always thought it was LDC, but from Norman's latest bit in the lewes handbook, it sounds like ESCC are to blame, or is this just passing the buck?
 
 
On 28 Aug 2006 at 6:25pm mr lewes wrote:
blame who you like it's here to stay!
 
 
On 28 Aug 2006 at 6:36pm Roastbeef wrote:
Well I just think they've made a pigs ear out of it. It's almost as if ESCC has singled Lewes (why?) out because Eastbourne and Hastings schemes are no where near as punishing
 
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On 28 Aug 2006 at 9:17pm yorkshre pud wrote:
you have not seen anything yet, eastbourne kicks off in oct 2007 hastings is run and policed by the council, so that wont change much but when eastborne starts off you watch the sparks fly , and lewes is about to get bigger so watch out the outlying estates and villages you have seen nothing yet
 
 
On 28 Aug 2006 at 9:45pm Frank Bough wrote:
As I understand didn't the Government enforce these parking schemes countrywide?
ESCC had to adopt them otherwise local funding would be cut. I don't know why the ESCC never made a big deal about how they were forced to enforce a Labour rule when the ESCC are Conservatives? ..... I suspect the ESCC are a bunch of somewhat weak kneed people who've never really worked in the 'real world' plus the head of the ESCC lives miles away doesn't he? (In Rye or somewhere)
The good news is that many other towns will suffer like Lewes. I can't see what benefit this parking scheme has given to anyone except NCP.... where does the excess profit go? - didn't ESCC supposedley get 60% of the profits to put back locally or something like that? anyone ever seen any evidence of this money being put back into Lewes? -it all stinks.
 
 
On 29 Aug 2006 at 6:16pm council bod wrote:
the reason it dont make a profit coz the people of lewes keep blowing the meters up and at 4ooo a go thats where the money goes .and they have blown up14 now all that dosh would have gone to local projects but as the machines keep getting damaged the council tax has to pay for it so it rises .the people of lewes shoot themselves in the foot, lewes is the only town where this happens so what does this tell you about the folk in lewes. yes you are right, the parking scheme idea was a goverment directive
 
 
On 29 Aug 2006 at 7:50pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:

It tells me the folk in Lewes don't like the parking scheme that they've been conned into by a few slimly villains. It also tells me that they have the guts to do "something" about it. Historically they're the kinda folk that tend to do "something" about things they dislike.
In a way it's fortunate that Lewes has become home to so many London Yuppies which dilutes the local element.
Wages are most often the greatest expense for any business, sozs the reason that it don't make a profit(allegedly) could well be caused by the sheer number of wardens employed to hound people out of the town... often permanently.
PhilX
 
 
On 30 Aug 2006 at 5:02pm council bod wrote:
you still not got the plot have you its here to stay never mind who runs it, keep blowing the meters up and up goes your council tax still you can afford it maybe, but there are a lot of folk that cant me included, so why do you insist on sticking up for mindless lawbreakers . other towns have parking schemes and dont have the same probs as lewes and yes other towns dont like the schemes but they have to grin and bear it.
 
 
On 30 Aug 2006 at 7:00pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
Yup got the plot TY.
Council tax is a different issue to the parking scheme.If you are an OAP or on benefit council tax is greatly reduced.
Unsure if the same applies to parking charges?
Please don't nick me warden I have 4 kids to support....
I have no problem sticking up for "mindless law breakers" providing it's only parking meters that attract their attention.
It's often the case that it takes more extreme measures than a curt letter to the local paper to evoke change.
If enough people protest loud enough (at or around election time) I doubt if the present parking scheme will be as cast in stone as you suggest.
PhilX

 
 
On 30 Aug 2006 at 8:13pm mick wrote:
You are right Phil, the parking scheme is most definitely not set in stone.
Eastbourne, Newhaven and even dear old Seaford will soon have schemes charging people to park (and why is that such a radical idea?.
And criminal damage is against the law irrespective of what is being damaged.
Vigilantism is not the answer, paying the very reasonable fees levied is.
 
 
On 31 Aug 2006 at 12:17pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
I'm opposed to vigilantism when used against a person... which a parking meter isn't.
Also feel if the profits gained from reasonable parking charges were genuinely used to benefit the community, people would feel better about things.
At present I'm unclear who says whether there has been a profit/loss. Who audits the figures and looks at the income/out goings of the scheme? How long a period is the initial investment ( meters/yellow lines) being recouped over?
Crying foul! then raising charges is all too easy.
lol
Feel sad that "Council Bod" appears to trust the authorities absolutely.
PhilX
 
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On 31 Aug 2006 at 1:08pm mick wrote:
So you condone the breaking or smashing of any inanimate object?
I doubt you would be so understanding if someone smashed your car window, for example.
Breaking the law is certainly not the way to get what you want. It merely gives the authorities justification to change things as and when they see fit.
 
 
On 31 Aug 2006 at 2:58pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
No... I'd thought I'd made it clear. Not breaking any inanimate object... just parking meters which are almost an art moderne representation of the p*ss poor way Lewesians have been treated.
FYI " Breaking the law" historically, often brings about change.
In a democracy no government rules for long without consent of the governed
PhilX
 
 
On 31 Aug 2006 at 4:45pm council bod wrote:
well said mick, "I dont live in lewes anymore" does not seem to understand much, he moans about the council but the people of lewes voted them in so who do you blame, more metres have been orderd i have found out and lo guess what they have cctv. mind you it has cost them more to buy but it will pay for them in the long run when the "mindless law breakers" get their mug shots taken all metres are going to be fitted with cctv more expence for the tax payer though.
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 7:54am mick wrote:
Phil
Yours is the mentality that says
"I don't like speed cameras i will break them"
"I don't like having to pay for parking, I will break the machines"
It's not very far down the road to
"I don't like red lights I will ignore them"
"I don't like paying in the shops, I won't bother I will just take what I want"
There will always be some rules and regulations that some of use don't like but without them there will be anarchy.
In a civilised society you cannot pick and choose the laws YOU wish to obey.
Anyway you have made the choice of leaving Lewes so the parking scheme doesn't even affect you.
Regards
Mick
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 10:00am I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
Though expressing my views (which is the purpose of a forum), in previous posts I have been most wary in avoiding personal attacks on those that disagree with that viewpoint.
Mick... I'm bemused at how you believe you are capable of judging my mentality because I dare to challenge your views.
Gifted is you?
Making repeated statements in your post such as "I don't like red lights", then supplying the outcome you desire "I will ignore them" in order to besmirch me because my thoughts differ from yours, is both foolish and in bad taste.
A case of Judge and Jury all portrayed in one person.
Unlike you (who suggest minor law infringement equals chaos) it's my opinion that anarchy tends to be caused by those that are disgruntled with their lot. In a "civilized" society as you choose to call it (democratic is maybe a better word), government lends itself to the solution by altering/making new laws. It's all part of the ""In a democracy no government rules for long without consent of the governed"" thing.
Worth noting that China (not renown for its human rights) tends to suppress rather that resolve anarchic situations by popping a few tanks in amongst the population.
On a personal level, Yes I chose to leave Lewes for a multitude of reasons but still visit frequently, so the parking scheme does affect me.
Also, delighted forum members frequently tell me that a similar scheme will be visiting Seaford shortly.
Lessons to be learned.
To conclude... if you find my views irksome don't read them, it's not compulsory.
Per vas nefandum?
PhilX
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 12:41pm mick wrote:
Phil
This was not a personal attack and i regret that you have taken it that way.
My point was that with all the problems in the world, this country and indeed Lewes it is galling that the one subject guaranteed to raise the hackles is parking.
It is a fact that parking in Lewes is still one of the cheapest in the county (where there is a charge) and mindless criminal damage will if anything cause prices to raise.
Can't the good folk of Lewes and its surrounding areas think of something else to discuss? (Please not bl**dy bonfire night)
Of course i will still read your posts (as well as those by TF) and of course i will continue to disagree with the majority of them.
In finality i am afraid i only took Latin for one year and do not understand the final remark although i do remember the school motto of
Absque Labore Nihil.
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 1:00pm peter wrote:
actually, Lewes parking scheme is certainly not one of the cheapest in the country - the scheme was first launched in North Yorshire some six years ago and as with most tourist driven towns up north (not major cities, but towns, much like Lewes) the residetns are charged a nominal fee of between 12 and 25 per YEAR and the cost of visitors buying a ticket is around the same as here. Now you can give me all the chat about things being cheaper 'up North' but the vast difference in these costs considering the ever decreasing differences in wages between North and South and the astromical cost of buying a house/ local taxes down here mean there is very little difference left...
Whilst we have all accepted that the costs have to be recouped for all these machines that have been mindlessly blown up - have you asked whether or not that is a true amount. I for one have seen one parking meter that was blown up straight after it was installed and it is stillnot fixed...i have seen very few damaged and even less of the damaged ones repaired (unless it is in a prime money making spot) - i feel i mast point out that spin may be the real criminal here and not a couple of banger happy kids once every six months or so...
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 7:01pm council bod wrote:
hello peter you dont see the damage that is done to the machines in lewes as the machines are all checked each morning, prob before you get up i wish it was only six months we had damaged machines i know i repair them. we allways have six machines ready to go out at a moments notice and am on call at the weekends i am not a parking attendant god i could not wear one of those red outfits may i add all that i have said is true and not spin try breaking a machine in about 4 weeks time you may get a shock hey you get to keep the photo as well (THAT last bit was not aimed at you peter it was just for interest)
 
 
On 1 Sep 2006 at 9:41pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:
CCTV is a complete waste of time as they cannot convict on this alone (your legal dept should know this). If you get your collar felt by plod waving a photo of you, all you say is 'it's not me', then provide an alibi and hey presto. Ask any pikey, they know the system.
 
 
On 2 Sep 2006 at 9:23am Lord Pike wrote:
As Phil says, Lewes has always had an independent attitude. We supported Parliament during the Civil War and now, four hundred years on, we're still refusing to behave.
I can see both sides of the parking debate, but nothing alters the fact that before the scheme was introduced, I could always find a place to park. Now that I'm paying for the privilege of parking in my own road, I struggle to find a space.
 
 
On 3 Sep 2006 at 11:56am Mystic mog wrote:
I would suggest that ESCC and / or NCP should have got a good insurance policy before embarking on this sad project. If this was not possible to have a resesve for vandlism would have been prudent. Howver prudence is not a given when ESCC is concerned.
 
 
On 3 Sep 2006 at 6:42pm muffin wrote:
we shall see toothy
 
 
On 3 Sep 2006 at 7:38pm George Doors wrote:
TF you make Ian Paisley look like a tree hugging, sandal wearing leftie. You should be behind bars - in a zoo. So we can all view the lesser known hypocrite "toothus fairyus".
 
 
On 4 Sep 2006 at 10:27pm lopster wrote:
what really grates is the fact that the machines offer no change facility - what is infuriating is the lies that cover the parking ticket machines AND speed cameras (road safety - pah) - its all revenue earning - not even fairly when the machines detailed willingly accept OVERpayment (not stupid these people are they) - vote Seagulls!!!
 
 
On 5 Sep 2006 at 9:56am Mystic mog wrote:
Seagulls party - single issue party.
Write to John Robbins at ESCC rather than rant.
 
 
On 5 Sep 2006 at 5:14pm council bod wrote:
the machines can be set to have overpayment but escc do not allow that........yet
 
 
On 8 Sep 2006 at 4:59pm council bod wrote:
just fitted 5 cctv units to some of the pay and display machines. now the fun will start
 
 
On 9 Sep 2006 at 5:59pm Mark rolfe wrote:
yes vote seagulls instead of being blinkered by mystic mog comments.
 
 
On 10 Sep 2006 at 7:41am I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
Which 5?
lol
PhilX
 
 
On 10 Sep 2006 at 10:25am Avidfan wrote:
How does this work, bod? Is the camera on all the time? Or when money is inserted? Is it only forward facing? I can't see the point as a burst of spray paint or a well placed sticker going to cover the lens, or am I mistaken?
 
 
On 12 Sep 2006 at 7:20am Mystic mog wrote:
What on earth would the seagull's party do about the party. Think before answering; there are 3 tiers of local government. ESCC are running the parking scheme. Seagulls are fighting the District Council - different authority. Just look how ESCC have ram-rolled Eastbourne into a similar scheme! Fight the scheme - however Seagulls (sic) cannot help
 
 
On 12 Sep 2006 at 4:28pm ned wrote:
to late now
 
 
On 12 Sep 2006 at 5:14pm Mystic mog wrote:
We can try and fight. No point rolling over.
 
 
On 14 Sep 2006 at 5:36pm Mark rolfe wrote:
problems would reduce overnight and we would have calm and sensibility restored at a stroke after the elections.
 
 
On 15 Sep 2006 at 12:42pm George Doors wrote:
Which elections?
ESCC RUNS THE SCHEME. SEAGULLS ARE FIGHTING FOR THE DISTRICT COUNCIL. Separte elections in different years.
Do some homework fool.
 
 
On 15 Sep 2006 at 12:45pm Mystic Mog wrote:
ESCC is Tory and not Lib Dem! Voting out all the current Lewes Town, District and County Councillors will make little or no difference to how decsions are make by ESCC on parking. They have cabinet system and are Tory run. Just look how they steamrollered Eastbourne into a parking scheme.
 
 
On 16 Sep 2006 at 3:18pm Mark rolfe wrote:
I love starting a debate with an off the wall remark about the Lib dems.
MM bites everytime.
 
 
On 18 Sep 2006 at 11:01am Mystic Mog wrote:
Nothing to do with Lib Dems just your ignorance of local governement structure.
 
 
On 19 Sep 2006 at 10:00pm Mark rolfe wrote:
I hear he is camping on Brighton seafront so he doesn't miss his beloved party and their conference.
 
 
On 20 Sep 2006 at 4:56pm ned wrote:
load of drunks that lot
 
 
On 20 Sep 2006 at 9:21pm Mark rolfe wrote:
very true ned
 
 
On 21 Sep 2006 at 2:19pm Mystic Mog wrote:
Mark Rolfe loves the Torys at ESCC, if you want to be childish.
 
 
On 21 Sep 2006 at 3:01pm f wrote:
fff
 
 
On 23 Sep 2006 at 9:09am Mark Rolfe wrote:
not being childish mm but you never let up when it comes to the lib dems and they can do no wrong in your eyes!
when they cost all of us thousands of pounds because of their stupidity over Falmer,you will still say they can do no wrong.
One last point get it right I love ukip and all they stand for.
 
 
On 25 Sep 2006 at 2:06pm Mystic Mog wrote:
Shame you cannot read an entire posting. I was trying to explain WHICH council is running the parking scheme and that it is ESCC. Thats all. However so many people cannot understand that there are, unfortunatley, 3 councils that affect residents of Lewes. It was not I who mentioned the Lib Dems.
 
 
On 29 Sep 2006 at 7:56am Mark rolfe wrote:
lib dems are finished in Lewes except it idiot.
 
 
On 29 Sep 2006 at 5:49pm council bod wrote:
60% of the machines are now fitted lol im on overtime you should see some of the pics
 
 
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