On 5 Mar 2018 at 7:29pm Mr Phorbes wrote:
For the past 20 months we have been told that the people of Europe look at the Brexit result with disbelief. This morning we wake up to the news that the majority of Italians voted for Eurosceptic parties.
The truth is that the EU has created a union of governments but has divided the populations of member states down the middle.
The cure to all the EU's problems are straight forward:
1. Dissolve the parliament.
2 Dissolve the commission.
3 Dissolve the ECJ
4 Dissolve the Euro
5 Get rid of the unelected presidents.
6 Get rid of the flag
7 Get rid of the anthem
8 Shelve plans for an EU army.
9 Reinstate boarders across the continent.
10 Create a new union where all 44 countries of the continent would be invited to join. A union where countries would come together in matters of common intrest and cultural exchange. This could involve a trade deal/bloke of sorts.
Simple and a he'll of a lot cheaper than the current set up, without any kind of encroachment on a countries sovereignty.
On 5 Mar 2018 at 7:38pm Ferret wrote:
It's hardly worth bothering to reply to this nonsense. But have you any idea why the EU was originally created? Did it have something to do with the two murderous wars between independent nation states which saw each other as rivals, and not as partners? And what on earth is the difference between a "union of 44 countries of the continent" and the present union other than a few other countries would be members? And which of the 50 countries of Europe would not be invited?
On 5 Mar 2018 at 8:12pm Mr Phorbes wrote:
Firstly, as I stated, the governments of Eu member states may be united but the people aren't. A point demonstrated in yesterday's election .
The biggest threat to European peace ( excluding the Russian problem ) won't be country v country but nationalists v globalist. This I believe is the force behind the whole EU army plans.
I have all ready set out why my proposed union would be different to the current union and by offering membership to all 44 countries of the continent would make it inclusive not exclusive.
According to the United Nations there are 44 European countries.
On 5 Mar 2018 at 9:32pm @Mr Phorbes wrote:
Your proposals are simply rolling back 60 years of progress, brought about by hard bargaining and sometimes painful compromise. They pander to the throwback nationalists that sadly are on the rise, mainly due to the migration problems that Europe faces, due to civil war and poverty in the countries around Europe. There are 51 countries which are part of the European continent, whose eastern border is accepted as the Ural and Caucasus mountains, and the Caspian sea. I'm guessing your 44 excludes Russia, Georgia, Belarus, and other eastern European countries (populated mainly by Europeans) from your grand plan? The UN thinks they are in Europe too. Is it just because you haven't really thought this through?
On 5 Mar 2018 at 10:03pm Border Control wrote:
Not surprising the BBC haven't shared the Italian situation on tv is it ? Heavens only knows what state the EU will be in this time next year, maybe there won't be anything to leave ? Hehe.
On 5 Mar 2018 at 10:09pm @Border Control wrote:
I watched a detailed BBC report earlier today which included interviews with the leaders of the parties which made gains. Not one of them mentioned the EU. One said they wanted to make changes to the management of the euro, which he said was operating in Germany's interest, not Italy's. Or did I dream all that?
On 5 Mar 2018 at 10:18pm Curious wrote:
I think phorbes has the right idea, basically a cooperation of European countries and not a European state in which different cultures are forced into an homogeneous mixture that no one likes. Take a roast dinner with Yorkshire puddings, a spaghetti Bolognese, a paella, add some sauerkraut, etc, etc,put in a blender = revolting. It's just a bankers dream of units without personality. You talk about the wars, ok, check out the personnel at the Versailles Treaty ~ nearly all bankers and a few heads of state. Ferret around the facts and you'll find the real picture, with the internet you can really do it. Germany was put in such a hopeless position, they were forced into another war. Who came out of it all with a massive profit? It's not hard to guess!
On 5 Mar 2018 at 10:25pm Not interested wrote:
Full detailed coverage on BBC news at ten. Fake news in Lewes?
On 6 Mar 2018 at 10:18am RedHeart wrote:
Nowadays you're either a national socialist or a universal socialist. You just dont know it yet....
On 6 Mar 2018 at 10:52am @Ferret wrote:
"But have you any idea why the EU was originally created? Did it have something to do with the two murderous wars between independent nation states which saw each other as rivals, and not as partners?"
Love when dullards with no grasp of 20th century history attempt to draw these sort of causal relationships. This is classic propagandistic, EU creation myth claptrap. The modern EU has no causal link with a post-war attempt to secure peace.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 1:06pm Ferret wrote:
So you've never heard of the European Coal and Steel Community set up in 1951 to encourage integration and reduce the ecomonic reasons for conflict. It was the forerunner to the EEC, and therefore to the EU. And do you really have to insult people you disagree with?
On 6 Mar 2018 at 1:09pm Ferret wrote:
@Curious Your comment is repeating lies straight from the Nazis policy book. Versailles was the product of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference where the leaders of the four largest victorious countries drew up the treaty. No bankers, and why don't you tell us who you think profited from the war? We all know what the Nazis thought.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 1:31pm bored wrote:
What a load of old rot. Creating a 44 country European organisation in point 10 needs many of points 1 - 9 to make it viable. You try telling any country or business that you want a massive partnership of 44 countries but no common dispute resolution process, no organisation monitoring partner behaviour etc etc. Laughable lack of thinking.
The truth isn't that the EU has created divisions in countries. There has always been division in countries.
The people of EU aren't united you say. Correct, but neither of the people of individual countries. Does this mean we should split individual countries too.
Load of contradictory waffle that boils down to wanting all the good points of partnerships but none of the logistics that underpin such a huge endeavour. Add in a bit of paranoia and nazi apologism from Curious and bake at 200 degrees till done.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 3:21pm @Ferret wrote:
Yes I am well aware of the predecessors to the EU. You're original response to the OP was a pretty insulting, clearly implying that criticism of the current manifestation of the EU was in some way equivalent to ignoring the legacy of two world wars. Using the conflicts of the first half of the 20th century to justify the way the EU operates now is totally morally reprehensible.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 4:03pm Curious wrote:
The banks, sorry I thought it was obvious. Have you heard of the syncretists?No, I'm not a nazi apologist, nor do I act like one
On 6 Mar 2018 at 4:20pm bored wrote:
^^Morally reprehensible! Bit strong buddy.
Any particular reason you chose to ignore Russia after stating it's the biggest threat we face? Maybe the existence of the EU strengthens us against this threat? Maybe that is why the EU and predecessors were created? Seems odd to give that all up when you think Russia is such a big threat.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 4:54pm Ferret wrote:
In the mind of a Brexiter, historical fact is morally reprehensible, just as believers in the EU are traitors. And no matter how glaringly obvious leaving the EU will make us poorer, and reduce our influence in international affairs, as long as we will be able to exclude decent, hard working, tax paying young foreigners they won't change their minds.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 5:06pm Ferret wrote:
@Curious I have no idea what you mean by "the syncretists", and I suspect neither do you. If you are suggesting that the ideals behind the EU are somehow alien to us, you couldn't be more wrong: free trade, freedom for people to travel, live and work where they want, the rule of law, democratic accountability for example. All seem pretty British to me, and much of Europe thanks Britain for its role in defeating authiritarian alternatives.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 5:36pm I had a Morris Minor wrote:
and the syncretist on second gear was shot so iit kept jumping out of gear
On 6 Mar 2018 at 7:29pm Curious wrote:
You're right ferret, I was mixing up syncretists with synarchists,pretty synful of me. They were a bunch of elitists who wanted Europe ruled by, funnily enough, an aristocratic elite. Rather like the Pan European Movement founded by Count Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi in 1922. He envisaged European integration as the first step to world government. He was the first winner of the Charlemagne Prize awarded by the EU for services to, you've guessed it, European integration. His `Kalergi Plan`included the immigration of what he called `inferior races`to breed with the proles and create a `mongrel class`with no history or identity who could be easily controlled by a superior elite. Sound familiar?
On 6 Mar 2018 at 7:53pm Clifford wrote:
Ferret wrote: 'But have you any idea why the EU was originally created? Did it have something to do with the two murderous wars between independent nation states which saw each other as rivals, and not as partners?'
Really? So what is virtuously 'internationalist' about creating a narrow little inward-looking Euro-superstate? Even that old fascist Oswald Mosley believed in 'Europe a Nation' so it's hardly a progressive concept.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 8:00pm Clifford wrote:
Ferret wrote: '...reduce our influence in international affairs...'
It's funny how when you scratch a Remainer you always find a small-minded nationalist. 'Our influence'... Do you also say 'Punch above our weight'? How is a narrow, inward looking little Euro-superstate an advance? 'European Union' means excluding the rest of the world.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 9:00pm @Ferret wrote:
In whole hearted agreement, but when I tried to “like” your comments, it wouldn’t allow me to. I am able to do so on others’ comments. Why should this be I wonder?
On 6 Mar 2018 at 9:13pm @Clifford wrote:
@Clifford wrote: “a narrow little Euro superstate”. Aren’t the words “little” and “superstate” diametrically opposed? And to suggest that when you scratch a remainer you are bound to find a nationalist is just laugh-in- your-face idiotic. Is one a nationalist for fearing that the country will soon become an irrelevance on the world stage? It’s the leavers who wanted their sovereignty, lest we ever forget their inward looking, narrow, xenophobic - and yes, hubristic, stupidity.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 10:06pm Ferret wrote:
@Clifford Pretty bizarre reasoning on your part and you've certainly got me wrong. I'm concerned that the UK will end up as a vassal state of the USA, yet still tied into the EU for the sake of trade and business, but with no say in its affairs. I'm not at all nationalistic, but I've always been proud of this country's democracy, rule of law, tolerance and openness, although not so keen on its imperial record and its major role in the slave trade.
On 6 Mar 2018 at 10:13pm Ferret wrote:
@Clifford Excluding the rest of the world? Trade with the EU accounts for 48% of the UK's exports. Where does the rest go I wonder? Please check the facts here:
Check it out here »
On 6 Mar 2018 at 10:16pm Ferret wrote:
@Curious Sound familiar? No not really. Just another load of racist drivel.
On 7 Mar 2018 at 12:10am clifford wrote:
If the People are to be kept pure and strong, we must reject Goldman Sachs,George Soros and their EU puppets.Google the Kalergi Plan.
On 7 Mar 2018 at 9:14am @ferret wrote:
So many straw men, so little time! If integration of states prevents war, why not integrate all states? Where does democracy sit in that model?
On 7 Mar 2018 at 9:37am @@Ferret wrote:
Now you're getting it.
On 7 Mar 2018 at 11:55am @@@ferret wrote:
On 7 Mar 2018 at 7:11pm Curious wrote:
Exactly my point, ferret, the EU was created by racist drivelers and they gave their highest prize to a racist driveler. Read Kalergi`s words for yourself if you don't believe me.