On 16 Dec 2015 at 6:16pm Greedy Tory Vandal wrote:
We have voted to line our own pockets and frack the living daylights out of our National Parks.We are going to make a killing out of all that oil and gas and guess who and what we will be killing?You and our wildlife,that`s right!Climate change?What`s that ,never heard of it!Let`s make loads of money and who cares about the consequences!Screw you plebs!
On 16 Dec 2015 at 6:42pm wrote:
Is that fraking nutter the scrounging Paul Newman yet again?
Will he ever stop?
On 16 Dec 2015 at 6:44pm bastian wrote:
See what I mean about Ntational Parks losing their way-the governemnt does not respect them or their purpose, and agreeing to letting developers in is just the start.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 7:36pm Moley wrote:
It wouldn't matter who was in power, we are at a crisis point, too many people in the world to have pretty parks, when they all need electricity and homes and food. The real answer ? Stop breeding.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 7:37pm Townie wrote:
Fantastic news. We need fuel. The fracking has been ok'd as long as the drilling starts outside the national park
On 16 Dec 2015 at 8:25pm Red Adare wrote:
OIL - like how we all got wealthy from the North Sea.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 8:30pm Red Adare wrote:
OIL - like how we all got wealthy from the North Sea.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 8:36pm Fred Astair wrote:
WTF double post and from a normal laptop . SNAFU webbo
On 16 Dec 2015 at 10:13pm Ernie wrote:
More whingeing. Fracking is safe and we need the fuel. Get over it.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 10:32pm barry wrote:
The south downs will be built over soon enough if we continue to vote in parties that allow mass immigration and support fracking.
Our population is set to grow to 85 Million larger than Germany and France and all down to migration.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 10:57pm wrote:
Frack under Blenheim Palace & Buckingham Palace & the Palace of Westminster where there will be far less impact on 'normal' hardworking & peaceable people.
On 16 Dec 2015 at 11:55pm Inconvenient wrote:
@townie your na´vetÚ astounds me
Do you really think they will respect anyone boundaries once legislation starts getting passed to allow fracking?
On 17 Dec 2015 at 8:39am in the know2 wrote:
Technically/legally the queen owns the land under your house and under the national park-so, the sooner Charlie gets on the throne the better.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 10:59am Grafter wrote:
The South Downs National Park is an industrially produced landscape. Hasn't anyone else noticed how Lewes is surrounded by large chalk pits and hills with grass kept short by grazing and horse exercising areas? A bit of drilling is not going to destroy this.
On another subject that's related, can someone explain why Peak Oil seems to always be further away each year? I thought we were going to be priced off the roads by now but oil is getting cheaper despite war in the Middle East.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 11:44am ar10642 wrote:
Oil prices are driven by complex global factors, but essentially it's a short to medium term low price due to a drop in demand because of economic slowdowns and increase in supply from non-Gulf sources.
Long term it is a finite resource and the price is always going to rise unless viable alternatives are found.
It's difficult to see how fracking, which is a comparatively expensive form of energy production, is going to make money in the current climate of low oil prices.
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On 17 Dec 2015 at 12:40pm Zebedee wrote:
As you say chalk, not shale... so no tight oil or gas. It's only a small section of the South Downs Park that will be affected and even then the shale oil rigs cannot be placed inside the park's boundaries. Unlike the Ashdown Forest which is 'only' designated as an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB) and sits on the shale oil bearing kimmeridge clay and is therefore quite likely to become a pin-cushion of oil rigs. I'm very glad I don't live there. Watch nature desert, the air change colour, the small roads clog up with tankers and house prices tumble.
Mind you, even though the government have moved all the goal posts to allow fracking to happen, whether it will is still very much open to question, mainly for three reasons:
1) We are at last moving forward to guard against climate change and shale oil and gas do not fit well with this (due to excessive methane leakage)
2) Earthquakes. Fracking and associated processes have turned Oklahoma from a place that had virtually no earthquakes into the single area in the world that has the most. In addition long term gas drilling in Groningen, North of Holland has created numerous frequent earthquakes that even though they are not high on the richter scale are generated so close to the surface that they are destroying people's homes.
As the geology of the UK is so highly faulted (unlike that of the US!) and fracking requires so many wells (1000's due to short length of well laterals) it cannot be in dispute that intensive operations will cause similar damaging shallow quakes in the UK.
3) The low price of oil. At current prices shale oil and gas drilling in the UK is not economic.
Just watch this space.
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On 17 Dec 2015 at 12:52pm Oil not be voting Tory wrote:
Actually, the main driving force behind the low oil prices at the moment is the gulf countries flooding the market precisely so that fracking isn't economical in an attempt to kill off domestic oil production in the US. No matter how much oil is extracted from under the UK, as a nation we will always be relying on foreign countries for energy so long as we are using oil and gas.
Talk of boosts to our economy from fracking are ridiculous as all the contracts so far have gone to foreign owned companies and even when BP get in on the act it's not like they pay any tax in this country.
The only sensible option is for Britain to invest in renewables to efficiently generate all our own energy but that's been effectively killed off by the Tories who have just all but removed any investment in the sector. The short-term, get rich quick view of George Osborne is frankly terrifying and he's causing untold damage to future generations of people in the UK, all in the name of personal gain for him and his fracking company buddies.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 2:35pm Jill wrote:
The bloody green party need to get real. The green party which fu#ked up Brighton. fracking fine in one or to place . yes we do not want lots of drilling all at once,s good for jobs cheaper bills and stop inporting it
On 17 Dec 2015 at 2:47pm Grafter wrote:
Thanks for the very informative replies. I need to do some more reading..".....
On 17 Dec 2015 at 4:54pm nevillman wrote:
Many of the places that could be fracked are in the Ouse valley. I do not trust the energy companies ability to avoid cock ups. Watch out Lewes as we could end up with a polluted river running through the town.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 4:56pm Well oil beef hooked wrote:
We must protest.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 6:46pm bastian wrote:
Our river is already on its knees-it wouldn't take much to pollute it now.
On 17 Dec 2015 at 6:55pm Townie wrote:
How come our river is on it's knees Bastian ? Full of fish (most coarse species, Sea trout and even Barbel) Otters, a superb balance of wildlife from cormorants to kingfishers. you name it.
On 18 Dec 2015 at 1:27pm Tony Berry wrote:
Who cares about rivers and national parks when there is so much money to be made out of gas and oil.This sentimentality about nature makes me laugh.Get a life tree huggers!
On 18 Dec 2015 at 7:31pm Zebedee wrote:
@Oil not be voting Tory.
This isn't correct:
'Actually, the main driving force behind the low oil prices at the moment is the gulf countries flooding the market precisely so that fracking isn't economical'
It's actually the US that is flooding the market. Opec are producing pretty much what they used to before the US started fracking. Fracking in the US has increased supply so, as is the way with a market economy increased supply and static demand leads to reduced prices.
For the US to complain that reduced oil prices is the fault of OPEC really is very rich.
On 18 Dec 2015 at 7:36pm Zebedee wrote:
There are long stretches of the Ouse that are barren. Try fishing above the Sutton Hall Weir. It'd be amazing if you catch anything. The sea trout diminish year upon year... and they only come up here to breed, they are not resident. The Ouse is very much in trouble. Carp and mullet can live anywhere and the fact that one mad seal can make it up a few miles does not signify anything.
On 18 Dec 2015 at 9:03pm Zebedee wrote:
You talking to me Ian? If so, you've got the wrong person. The above lifestyle in no way reflects mine.
Have you thought of seeing a doctor? You probably should.