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Unite for Europe - National march to Parliament

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On 23 Mar 2017 at 11:50am Common Sense wrote:
I don't care about who is protesting but I care about our police and emergency services, so please don't turn this into a leave/remain thread.
Question.
Many people are traumatised and exhausted following yesterday's major incident so is it really wise for this march to go ahead?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 11:56am The Forum Nutter wrote:
It wasn't wise before yesterday, so it sure ain't wise now..Many police officers will be traumatized but as I understand it, all leave has been cancelled. Out of respect for the police and other emergency services the Remain march should be postponed (until about 2019 I reckon).
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 12:19pm Emma Brignorth wrote:
Please please keep faith in Europe
We can change this dreadful decision and keep it in the public
eye. Please come along Saturday
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 12:29pm Cath wrote:
Of course it's wise for it to go ahead. Otherwise terrorists will keep carrying out atrocities such as this to change anything they like.
Life should on as normal
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 12:40pm The Forum Nutter wrote:
@emma. you are deluded if you think you can change the result of the referendum..move on ..
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 1:50pm nonvoter.wasn't allowed2 wrote:
mr. nutter is right again. and yes emma is deluded. the so called dreadful decision won't and cannot be changed. and the public (majority) are fed up and want out now from your beloved Europe. let it drop please. why don't you stay home and do some gardening or sewing?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:02pm Frak wrote:
Why let it drop? Should we just all go 'ok mrs May, just do what you want without a care or thought for others opinions'? It's about making those involved remember that there was only a small percentage between those who voted to stay and those who wanted to leave.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:03pm Frak wrote:
And agree with Cath - that's how terrorists win.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:07pm Observer corps wrote:
I will be down there to photo who is going just like I did with the refugees welcome march. It's so I can show who supported the insanity being visited on this land.
The children of murdered policemen and women need to know who despised their parents.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:18pm nonvoter. wrote:
yes not a lot 4million ? and the terrorists won't win. but they will carry on with they're carnage and killings. because that's how they are. no respect for anyone or any life unless they follow the stupid religion they follow. I'm sorry but hanging should be brought back for any terror related offence if they don't get killed first.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:23pm Marcher wrote:
Spot on Frak.

It was a very small majority to decide such a momentous thing and most of the people who voted did so on the back of lies and ignorance. And still we have no idea what Brexit looks like!

The march is there to remind the powers that be that there are an awful lot of people who want to stay part of the EU, practically half of those who voted in fact, and that we will not abide a hard Brexit, an act most likely to consign the UK to the dustbin of history within 15 years.

And of course the march should go on. To stop it is to give in to terrorism.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:24pm non voter wrote:
a big round of applause for observer corps. sanity from someone at last.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:31pm inthegutter wrote:
As already noted, the way you let terrorism win is changing your behaviour. I believe cancelling this rally would be mistake (even though I have no interest in going).
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:34pm Mr Debater wrote:
@Common Sense (OP).
'Many people are traumatised and exhausted following yesterday's major incident so is it really wise for'... Teresa May to evoke article 50?
:-)
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:36pm Localist wrote:
'Marcher' shows why so many of the 'middle ground' remainers and brexiters hate people like 'Marcher'. Yes, we were all lied to, on both sides, and we all accept that. I have been through enough general elections to know that politicians lie, its in their DNA. Three terms under Tony Bliar (I am proud to say i never voted for him) conditioned me to question everything, however that does not seem to register with 'Marcher' who, because he/she/it, didn't get their own way, decides to condemn anyone who disagrees as 'ignorant'. I feel entitled to condemn anyone that voted for Tony Bliar as having yesterdays blood on their hands, or blame them for sowing the seeds for the break up of the UK through Balirs devolution programme. However I don't resort to vilification. I just accept that I lost the referendum, under the terms that it was set. It's called living in a free parliamentary democracy. Yes it is flawed, almost as much as the EU, yes we are continually being lied to and yes nearly half of the those that voted are pissed off at the result.But it happened, get over it and instead of crying into your organic muesli at the injustice of not getting your own way, just get on with your life. The march will change absolutely nothing except show up again what a bunch of sour, petty little brats this small group of militant remainiacs are.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:37pm non voter wrote:
I'm going for a couple of pints. anyone else feel like a drink?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 2:51pm Boter wrote:
I appreciate your point Localist, but I don't believe that 27% of the population is enough to decide the future of the other 73% in such a massive, permanent way. At least with a general election you get another go a few years later when it has become clear that the person who won was lying to you! That is why people are demonstrating now, otherwise it will become too late for everyone.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 3:07pm Localist wrote:
Boter, I agree, to a degree, There is a very strong argument to say that the vote should never have taken place at all due to the inability of most 'normal' voters to grasp the enormity of the situation, but Cameron was simply jumping on band wagon in order to lure a few ragged right wing voters away from UKIP. But the fact is, however flawed it is / was, that is the system that the vote was taken under. We all knew that, and anyone that says otherwise is either a fool or is in a rage induced denial brought on by the politics of 'acceptable bigotry' that Bliar indoctrinated into them. (its ok to hate and demonise posh rich people, bankers, countrysiders, gingers, white van man). The vote will not be changed, ever. However the system could be. Instead of the near psychotic demands to remain in the EU against the will of the ballot box, energies would be better spent debating for a change to the system that allowed this to happen in the fist place. I don't have any figures to hand, but I suspect Bliars mandate to lead the world into the end of days, was never granted by more than 50% of the actual population, but it was a rather smaller percentage of the ballot box that has lead us to the point where we are more divided, hated and afraid than ever before. Stomping of feet and gnarling of teeth will achieve nothing. It never has (I was on the million man anti war march), and it never will. We can play with statistics and politics and morals and the rights and wrongs of the situation all we like, but it is wasted energy, and I for one would rathe look forward and make the best of what we have.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 3:22pm bobobob wrote:
I'm with those saying don't cancel, don't let terrorism change how we live.
I find the anger here towards people who still hold out hope for the referendum decision to be reversed or for a soft brexit or future re joining of the EU weird.
As a country we voted by referendum to stay in Europe a while back yet we had another referendum recently and that will take us out. Between these two votes did eurosceptics keep quiet and say, "well we lost and we are part of Europe so we should not voice our opinions or objections" No, they constantly made life difficult in parliament and media for about 40 years until they got another referendum by holding Cameron over a barrel and the result they wanted.
So, to all those saying shut up and accept the vote, sure, the first vote that kept us in right?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 3:32pm Localist wrote:
I dont recall any referendum prior to this one?. I am 50 this year. What did I miss (apart from most of 1988 - 1992, but that's a very different story, and I only blame the Madchester scene, not the whole of the UK). I am not telling anyone to shut up, I am simply saying focus the energy on decisions that have yet to be made, rather than trying to change the ones that have. You may well be right, and in 40 years time we will be able to re-apply and rejoin, but I suspect the way the world and Europe is moving, the EU itself will not exist in 40 years time.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 3:47pm @localist wrote:
How on earth can someone who voted last year not even know there was a referendum on this matter in 1975? I can't say it surprises me that most remainers don't have a very good grasp of the historical facts of this debate.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:14pm Localist wrote:
Oh the irony of a brexiter bemoaning a remainer for their lack of historical knowledge.....Yes, I am sure you are giddy with excitement at your Ingerland being turned back into the Enid Blyton eutopia you think you voted for. "We want our country back"?...You are welcome to it old chap.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:17pm @Observer Corps wrote:
Hahaha, You really do talk some twaddle don't you! How on earth can you connect what happened yesterday with people wanting to stay in the EU? Happy snapping!
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:25pm @localist wrote:
Hilarious - I pointed out your ignorance on the subject and you respond like a whining petulant child exposing your bitter, nasty prejudice - again not surprising coming from a remainer. Perhaps try educating yourself properly on a subject before commenting old chap.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:27pm Localist wrote:
Ahhh, you are 'that' pub bore!!!! I wasn't aware that I had said that, so I guess its just as well I don't give a flying f what you think then isnt?.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:29pm Marcher wrote:
@Localist. You have willfully misconstrued what I said and misrepresented me. The vote was based on ignorance as we had no idea what Brexit looked like. Read my post again and stop making stuff up.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:34pm Tim wrote:
As a matter if interest, what was the % support for joining the EU in the first place (when we had a referendum to join)?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:41pm Another Marcher wrote:
Remember we got nuclear weapons banned and kept the coal mines open, all through holding protest marches
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 4:58pm Common Sense wrote:
Stop hijacking my post!!!
I purposely asked you not to comment about brexit as I was interested to know if people felt it wise to avoid creating any unnecessary pressure this Saturday. It's not a question about letting terrorism win, it was a question about compassion for emergency services.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 5:01pm Pedro wrote:
Its misleading to suggest protest movements are ineffective, and perhaps dangerous to discourage them with this mindset for any democracy. I'm sure Pankhurst and Gandhi, were they alive today, would disagree with you anyway.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 5:14pm Observer corps wrote:
Amish amok again in Antwerp.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 5:15pm Jeff wrote:
OP - of course the march should go ahead tomorrow as planned. Its business as usual. Only a small percentage of London's police force & emergency services were involved in yesterday's incident. Postponing the march would be a victory for terrorism and a slight on the resilience and capability of our brave and professional emergency services
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 5:27pm Bobobo wrote:
@tim lmill out the answer on another thread. OP did ask for this not to be a brexit thing but I couldn't resist defending against some of the idiocy linking the two.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 6:11pm Boris wrote:
I think you will find the ref in 1975 was about joining the common market, a trade bloke, not for political union although Tony Benn warned it would be inevitable .
I felt for a while that the EU should hold a ref across the 27 countries asking weather or not the good people of the union want political union.
It is pretty obvious why they don't and what the result would be.
If the EU was about common interest ,trade, cultural exchange etc rather than political union and courts everyone would be on board, there is no need for political union, which is what the EU now is and what we were voting on last June.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 8:25pm Lewes Voter 3 wrote:
For respect for police and all the voters of the country the demonstration must be cancelled. I and my family applaud putting up a clear photograph record of the identity of the remoaners riding on the coaches so ordinary people will identify them. I can take pictures on my phone. How many proper people will join us?
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 9:13pm Oh god wrote:
You really are an idiot. Go away and get a life.
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On 23 Mar 2017 at 11:10pm The Greek wrote:
There can be no change, that's how they win
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On 24 Mar 2017 at 7:43am Voter wrote:
Isn't it a bit weird that some people think it's ok to photograph others who believe differently to them, and post the photos publicly for all to see. What exactly are you hoping to achieve? That someone else will see the photos and go and 'sort them out' for you? Attacking someone for their beliefs is exactly what the nation is recoiling from at the moment, so are you saying it's ok for you to do it? albeit on a smaller scale.
Perhaps Observer Corps and Lewes Voter 3 could give us the benefit of their extensive wisdom (ahem) and tell is exactly what they hope to achieve.


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