On 12 Feb 2010 at 2:20pm feebie wrote:
Someone warned me to check trains coming back into Lewes, due to some poor s*d jumping onto the tracks at Lewes... does anyone know if this is what happened at all? :-(
On 12 Feb 2010 at 2:37pm Body snatcher wrote:
Poor sod ??? shelfish sod more like. What about the people who have to clear up the mess, the train driver seeing this happen in front of him or the total distruption it causes. If you want to top yourself, booze and pills are good or hosepipe from the exhaust.
On 12 Feb 2010 at 3:15pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
National Rail enquiries say enerything is running on time!!
On 12 Feb 2010 at 3:56pm Dave wrote:
According to the Argus, a Newhaven woman fell onto the line at Eastbourne.
On 12 Feb 2010 at 7:02pm Geoff wrote:
Lets hope 'body snatcher' that no one you know ever suffers form serious mental health probelms. Because with the kind of sympathy you express, i can only think that you will find yourself at a funeral. Of course everyone has sympathy for anyone who finds themselves by someone elses death. It is why we should take mental health problems more seriously.
You also pressume they didn't fall onto the line, or as happens more often that not, was pushed as part of a 'prank'
On 12 Feb 2010 at 7:10pm Body snatcher wrote:
You also PRESUME Geoff that the person is suffering from mental mealth problems. Get off your high horse pal.
On 12 Feb 2010 at 7:10pm supporter wrote:
What about the mental problems train drivers suffer after an incident.
Being an ex footplateman myself I speak from experience.
On 12 Feb 2010 at 8:26pm Geoff again wrote:
Boidy Snatcher. Do you think people without mental health problems kill themselves?
Supporter/Bodysnatcher I totally agree with you, which is why I would like to think that you/railway workers, might be a little more sympathetic to their fellow sufferers wether they work on the railways or not. Maybe this victim did?
Compassion. And that is all i have to say on the matter!
On 12 Feb 2010 at 9:30pm Whoa wrote:
Who said it was a suicide?
Is the victim injured or is it confirmed that they are dead?
Did the victim concerned slip, have a heart attack or stroke, faint?
Tragic news either way, so let's digest the information available before passing judgement
On 12 Feb 2010 at 10:18pm brixtonbelle wrote:
there was 'person on the line' between brighton and lewes (according to southern website) on tuesday i think. not sure if they were just having a walk or trying to kill themselves.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 12:17am Eh? wrote:
Exactly, Whoa, which is what Geoff said when the idiot above started waffling on about selfish suicide victims. No one needs to read that kind of thing..
On 13 Feb 2010 at 5:24am Signalman wrote:
Brixtonbelle - it was Monday, London Road Station, someone playing 'chicken' with the train - they lived (just). The Saturday a week earlier someone jumped in front of a fast train at Merstham - they didn't survive. At present there seems to be a spate of 'persons on the line', and from my experience the person who suffers most is the train driver - some never go back to work again.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 9:41am huw wrote:
I'm not sure if it's true, but I have heard that death by train is frequently not classified as suicide by insurance companies, meaning that loved ones can still claim lfe insurance.
This may go some way to explain the increase of this type of thing or it may just be an urban myth.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 9:51am Body snatcher wrote:
@ "Eh", It's selfish, end of story. Don't give a flying f*** if you want to hear it or not, it's selfish. There's plenty of other ways to top yourself but as long as its not you who's walking up the railway line looking for all the different body parts, well that's ok isn't it.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 10:00am Spinster Of This Parish wrote:
Suspect that is an urban myth Huw.
I think one of the reasons suicide on the lines has become so popular locally is due to a couple of high profile figures in East Sussex doing precisely that. If you were looking for the most effective way to end your days, wouldn't you be influenced by a method (effectively) endosed by a member of the medical profession?
Statistically rail suicide has a high success rate. Unfortunately, as with any suicide, thought is seldom given to others that will be affected by such an event - paramedics, train drivers, witnesses, family, friends, patients, commuters etc
On 13 Feb 2010 at 10:19am Lopster wrote:
spelling is a bigger tradge in my opinion
Geoff the first post actually said "poor s0d jumping" which is why the follow ons took that perspective - accidents/slips/pushes and the truly mentally ill are therefore excluded - most jumpers are looking for a quick and surefire suicide so pills, high falls and carbon monoxide are all preferable to the disruption caused by selfish "sack" or "hosepipe" solutions affecting all the other users of the railway.
last Saturday there was huge disruption starting at 11;00 and persisting until the evening because THREE people decided that this means of ending it was for them - I spoke to a guy on a train that night who had been called to all incidents one after the other in the south London area
On 13 Feb 2010 at 12:37pm TDA wrote:
While waiting with tens of thousands of others all over the South East for trains delayed by suicides, I often wonder 'what is wrong with taking a trip to Beachy Head instead?'
On 13 Feb 2010 at 12:55pm Mind what you say. wrote:
Lopster, I think you are being a bit pedantic. The big picture is that no one knew. It was a guess, and the response is just crass. Geoff's comment is quite correct. I am interested to know what the difference is between someone who choses to kill themselves by jumping in front of a train, and the 'truly mentally ill" I think you might need to speek with a mental health professional, and revise your view based on that specialist knowledge.
Body-Snatcher, Your pseudonym doesn't inspire confidence in your sensitivity. Of course it is 'selfish' to kill yourself in any way. Unfortunately being 'selfish' (translation : tortured by your deteriorating mental condition that results in an inability to empathise, or experience other normal emotional responses) is what leads to many deaths. Remeber 1 in 4 people suffer from mental health problems in their life time, and that could, or does include you. Perhaps you would provide us with a list of other ways of killing yourself on a rising scale of acceptability? You might want to rate them depending on planned suicides or sudden desperate urge suicides.
Obviously if you are suffering a sudden mental health melt-down, a planned death such as pills, or some poison may not be for you. In your frightening confused, and desperate state, you might do some thing irrational, impulsive, and 'selfish' . Sadly, many young people kill themselves, are you equally critical of them?
People in this terrifying state don't sit down and weigh up the pro's and con's of what they are doing in a healthy way.
Whatever our views of the deceased, we are all agreed that it is very tragic for the driver, and anyone else involved, so hopefully you will understand why people like me think it is unbelievable that anyone would focus on how inconvenient a death, and the related horror is, to their travel arrangements.
Its a little old fashioned nowadays but I think when anyone dies it is the civilized thing to do to feel sympathy for the end of a life, and those affected by it. After all. It will happen to us all one day, and not necessarily in the way we might prefer.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 3:00pm Body snatcher wrote:
@ "mind what you say" I'm not critical of anyone who kills themselves, they're obviously pretty desperate for whatever reason (depression, illness,etc)
However, most suicides are planned over a period of time. People don't just wake up in the morning and and "i'm going to kill myself today", it just don't happen.
Anyone who throws themselves in front of a train knows that death will be instant. If they know this, they are obviously in a position where they know what they're doing. If they know this, they will aslo know that their bodies will be ripped to pieces. Limbs, head and other internal organ will fly past carriages with people in them giving them an awful shock and as mentioned, the driver has to see it too.
Anyone who's in the right mind to want to end it all also will be in the right mind of how to end it, and throwing themselves in front of a train isn't one of them.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 3:11pm lopster wrote:
most suicides are spontaneous, cries for help and fail because the "victim" is discovered "in the nick of time" or survive the fall, consequently the individuals survive to get help further down the line, they chose non-guaranteed methods which ensures their survival
not so with jumpers, their cries-for-help go unanswered, they are ALWAYS successful and the true level of their mental health is never really identified -generally this will be the same as 90% of the others who have a quick self-harm or pop a few pills then have a chat with their doctor and are then cured
so were jumpers to chose less selfish methods they would get the help they so desperately need rather than screw up travel and careers of the travelling public and rail employees
On 13 Feb 2010 at 4:59pm Body snatcher wrote:
Not necessarlily Lopster. many people succeed killing themselves with overdoses, hanging, CO poisoning etc etc. If someone wants to kill themselves they'll do but it's down to them how they do it.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 5:39pm lopster wrote:
just conveying the fact that hundreds are unsuccessful in their first attempts using other methods so can be subsequently counselled - jumpers are never unsuccessful in their first attempts
On 22 Feb 2010 at 11:03am thomas wrote:
Train drivers just blag time off work for PTS - they don't give a sh|t, they just see an incident like this as more time on the allotment. They're paid loadsa money to 'steer' the train that runs itself if truth be known. Blood y Unions!
On 22 Feb 2010 at 12:39pm Geoff again wrote:
Thomas, let us only hope you never have to deal with the trauma of killing someone, when it is not your fault.