On 18 Feb 2015 at 7:09pm Young at heart. wrote:
As youth unemployment continues to rise, the Tories continue to punish the young imagining that it is popular with the over 60s.Well it isn`t.We have young people in our immediate families and we value them highly.Would the Tories be less punitive if these young people voted in the sort of numbers that we oldies do?
On 18 Feb 2015 at 7:29pm The Old Mayor wrote:
My chimney still needs cleaning !!
On 19 Feb 2015 at 1:11am Plumber wrote:
Actually, the over 60's were quite happy to take the 4% bonds offered by the Tories. Oh, there will be a second tranche because they were so popular.
It is O.K. because the Tories will increase student fees; as students don't vote or understand debt.
The Uk govt is synonymous with Wonga, isn't it?
On 19 Feb 2015 at 8:19am SOT wrote:
In fact youth unemployment has fallen by a fifth – down 188,000 compared to this time last year. General employment under the coalition has reached 73.2 per cent, (never been higher).The number in employment has reached a new record of 30.9 million and the number of job vacancies is a record high at 720,000.
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:12am Grunge wrote:
Frankly, I think the government are also against the old in suggesting that unemployed youths should earn their keep by making meals for the elderly. Now, I am the first among you to say that the majority of our young people may be constantly trying to get a job, but I would not like to be the recipient of a meal made unwillingly by a percentage who are Lazy Idle Loafers who can't be bothered to get out of bed in the morning. Hygeine issues spring to mind, for a start.
Right, now I will sit back and wait for self righteous comments by the whingeing element of our readers!
On 19 Feb 2015 at 11:14am Old Bloke wrote:
Thank goodness for common sense as in SOT, Grunge and Stan.
Best government this country ever had was the post war Attlee one and judging by the content of the Beveridge report I daresay they would have approved of this suggestion by Cameron.
But the Tories just like the Labour shambles that went before them do precious little to encourage the manufacture and invention that would create jobs and decent wages.
They're all full of sh*t
On 19 Feb 2015 at 1:12pm Oldish Person wrote:
There are, and always have been lazy, good for nothing, wastrel youngsters. They moan, spend hours on the internet, and are genuinely a complete pain. Then due to aging process, they get older, and add young people to the list of things they whinge on about.
On 19 Feb 2015 at 3:10pm Sussex Jim wrote:
The young have been punished by the dumbing-down of educational standards introduced by the Wilson government fifty years ago. Sorry, Southover Queen and others, but it's true.
One of my ancient teachers used to say "You work at the speed of the slowest boy". With the introduction of the Comprehensive system and the abolition of Grammar schools we were all in the slow lane.
It is time now to keep all young people occupied in work or further training. The devil finds work for idle hands!
On 19 Feb 2015 at 3:13pm bastian wrote:
It is intersting how many more people are apparently in work now than years ago, most women work as well as men, and yet the tax pot is still empty?-surely all those extra jobs should be creating an efficient revenue, but of course they are mostly paid so badly that the earners are only paying tax on about £3000 per annum, not enough to live on and not enough to run a country. If you want peopel to work, you have to pay them properly.
The only reason kids are not on the statistics for unemployment is because the age at which you leave school is now 18, that has taken a huge number off the chart-work fare is just for those few who are not at college and not in work (NEET), now does that inspre them to work, or force them to do sh** jobs for nothing much. We treat the young very badly, and now they will not progress to our jobs because we will have to work until 70
On 19 Feb 2015 at 4:14pm Pearliegirliestar wrote:
Oh for heavens sake who says its a punishment? Kids need to learn the basic, getting up, turning up, keeping it up. These are all great employable qualities. I work in a school, I have a Monday morning lesson period one. I've yet to see a full class, let alone any of them turn up on time. They don't care, and teachers are blackmailed into giving them good references. No body wants to see them fail and the truth is we are all a bit soft on them. When they meet the real world it's little wonder they can't keep a job.
I would have jumped at the chance to take on work experience - boring or otherwise. Face it, we've all done boring jobs - very few people walk into their dream job, less these days as there are so many degrees around employers can pick and choose. It's likely your first job will be in a bar, a restaurant or a shop if you're lucky. At least this way kids learn what it means to work before Thier rent depends on it, and those that do well will have references to prove it. If they don't want to work, they don't have to - they can learn what it's like to do without money. It's all an education.
On 19 Feb 2015 at 7:16pm Boris wrote:
Bastion , we know from previous posts that you have no work ethic and that you think that you should be paid huge amounts of money for doing very little.
This is a fantastic policy that will benifit the young as well as the community. The only people who would have a problem with this policy are the work shy fops who think that the country owes them a living. ( Like the artists that live in buses down at the phoenix for example )
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:08pm Fairmeadow wrote:
Old people think and vote. Too many young people can't be bothered, or think brain-dead celebrities like Russell Brand are role models.
If you were a politician, whose interests would you pander to in election year? Must remember to buy some of those 4% bonds while they are still on offer.
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:24pm Belladonna wrote:
Someone remind me how many people are unemployed ?
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:28pm The answer wrote:
On 19 Feb 2015 at 10:00pm SOT wrote:
Belladonna , I gave a run down of the current employment situation which is nothing short of miraculous. Why do you thjink so many people want to come here.
Facts are sacred
On 19 Feb 2015 at 11:59pm Plumber wrote:
Why don't we just default on all outstanding loans?
The youth would have a clean slate, and all the (freely educated) self righteous middle aged and older people will find out how much money they REALLY put aside ( NOTHING for most). The debt grew because they pretended to put 25% of the money aside - but they didn't. Yet we offer them 4% bonds and increase tuition fees?
British steel, Royal Mail were HUGE companies given away (at great expense to the tax payer) because the retirement fund deficit was bigger than the assets of the company.
The older generation put no REAL assets aside, just increased debt; and now they are getting kids to work for free, insane pressure and insane hours for free.
We are NOT making a better world, are we?
On 20 Feb 2015 at 1:36am Mark wrote:
You gave a run down on nothing SOT. Statistics are helpful in the hands of competent observers but they're just dangerous when used by blinkered ideologues. The 4% decrease in youth unemployment during the last year is easily accounted for by a draconian benefit system that is forcing claimants into internships, unpaid voluntary work and zero hour contracts.
Next? (such arrogance...)
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:25am worker wrote:
you only have to go into any town centre on any week day at any time of the day to see how many people are NOT at work. its getting ridiculous. GET TO WORK YOU LAZY FEKERS!!
On 20 Feb 2015 at 8:46am SOT wrote:
Quite agree Mark and lord knows where you found that desperate ( and unsubstantiated ) trawl for any bad news.Even by your one eyed view the phrase "Youth unemployment continues to rise" is not true yes ?Wages have been rising ahead of inflation for some time now by the way.
Incidentally I am a moderate supporter of the coalition, you are a paleozoic Marxist dreamer with cuckoos periodically emerging from your ears. Ideologue yourself.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 9:26am bastian wrote:
Boris, as usual, you know me so well as to insult me. I have always worked and never signed on for any benefit. I am not rich but i am at least informed and ready to stand up for others; and I see the young as our future, not to be punished but taught better than they are now and to actually feel like part of society (Society being something the right wing do not generally agree with).
Who ever the teacher is who posted I don't know which school you work, but most children reflect their parents habits-if their parents have to be at work by 8am then they will be out of bed and early for school, if their parents work from home and roll into the office next to the kettle then they won't have a time scale to keep to.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 11:32am 50 shades of blue wrote:
I was punished as a young Tory Boy - and now I can indulge my peccadilloes . Because I HAVE MADE £££££££££££££££££££££
On 20 Feb 2015 at 1:49pm belladonna wrote:
SOT - you gave some figures, yes, but what is the actual number of unemployed in this country ? Shall I tell you ? I remember the 'Labour isn't working' poster of 1979. At that time unemployment was running at 5 per cent. Guess what - today unemployment stands at 1.86 million. 5.6 percent. Hardly something for the coalition or its lackeys to crow about.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 3:12pm Ed Can Do wrote:
Also, Swordy, like his Tory HQ paymasters, is conveniently forgetting that the official school leaving age was increased to 18 during the life of this government so anyone dropping out at 16 no longer counts as unemployed as they are still "in education", even if they're not actually going to college. Also these stats are worked out using the electoral register and job centre figures. Since individual registration was introduced, record numbers of 18-25 year olds aren't registered to vote so won't appear in these figures.
"Youth unemployment" as a statistic has fallen thanks to the way it is calculated. The number of young people out of work has not.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 3:25pm bastian wrote:
Ed that is roughly what I said-it is too easy just to blame the young when they are thr product of their parents and the disinterest in them (other than financial through university fees) by the government.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 3:48pm SOT wrote:
Well thats the BBC for you endlessly spouting Tory propaganda ..
Belladonna thats the sort of worthless comparison that should be against the law.The working population( and the entire population) is now vastly larger than it is was in the economic disaster of the 70s and in any case Labour were busily wrecking the country by aiming for full employment at the cost of unsustainable inflation. They did so on the orders of the unions who also ensured high demand economy hit an unreformed and unproductive and immobile Labour force.
( Despite this , as has been the case for every single Labour administration they still left office with unemployment worse than when they entered it ...due to the restrictive practices and artificially high wages )
Look at the international comparison. The UK has the largest annual fall in the unemployment rate in the G7. In France unemployment is 10.3 per cent. – so almost double the rate here. The average EU unemployment is ten per cent.
Its a stunning achievement and deserves fair credit
Check it out here »
On 20 Feb 2015 at 6:38pm bastian wrote:
SOT, you are talking absolute rubbish, the kind of diatribe I would expect from a reationairy lover of Cameron and his acholites.
Sophistry will get you no where, if poliics could speak in actual numbers, not statisics (what do we know about statistics?) then we would all have an actual understanding of the countries affairs, as it is it is a confusion of figures, based on other figures, from which one can draw no conclusion at all.
As it is, the young are our future as a country and we should make sure they are listened to and understand what their place is in society,they cannot do this on their own, they need adult guidence, it is as if we have forgotton that this is the fundamental bedrock of childrens needs from us, the grown up and experienced of the world.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:15pm Alcoholic acholite wrote:
I'm an acolyte, alright ?
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:18pm Electrolyte wrote:
Even the negative posts are electrifying
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:23pm Fred Flintstone wrote:
Bedrock is a ghost town almost forgotten Yabbadabbad'oh
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:33pm ammonite wrote:
You'e all old fossils
On 20 Feb 2015 at 10:44pm Ed Can Do wrote:
Swordy, you admit then that there are more young people out of work now than before the Tories got in? Looks like you ducked that bit in your answer.
On 21 Feb 2015 at 3:13am Mark wrote:
And the EU comparison is worthless as it isn't a like-for-like comparison. France has stringent employment laws. They don't go in for fake jobs aimed at massaging the figures to create lying statistics. Also, SOT, I'm not on an ideological crusade. 90% of my posts are aimed at refuting your daft statistics because I worry that some people might be taken in by them. Doesn't seem to happen much apart from Old Bloke. I did one about my dog being bitten once a year ago.
On 21 Feb 2015 at 2:24pm SOT wrote:
Fooled by daft BBC statistics you mean presumably.
Yes France has stringent employment laws hence their high unemployment but their stagnant economy is also to blame.
As the overwhelming majority of UK zero hour contacts have been filled by immigrants who are prepared to cross Europe to take the jobs they cannot be blamed for distorting the employment rate or exploiting anyone . I am in two minds as to whether this is a good or bad thing. In our present circumstances a good on balance IMHO ( and very very good for Polish people )
That competition has also contributed to the zero inflation which has finally pushed wages above the cost of living
On 21 Feb 2015 at 4:25pm bastian wrote:
I'm sorry, you really are talking out of your backside SOT, you cannot qualify anything you say. French economy has levelled out an dremained so since th crash, yet ours is chaotic to say the least. Not to mention your weird ideas about immigrants taking up the crap jobs, that is not so, polish plumbers are not taking crap jobs, nor should they, many people from all areas are doing zero contract hour jobs, which are illegal by any EU laws on employment.
Mark, thank you for taking on the job of trying to keep an even keel, can I retire now?
On 21 Feb 2015 at 5:06pm Mark wrote:
Daft old SOT. If you know anyone who works in retail ask them whether they're on zero hours.
On 21 Feb 2015 at 5:17pm Mark wrote:
I think I'm going to give it up as a lost cause Bastian. He's in his own version of reality.
On 21 Feb 2015 at 5:32pm SOT wrote:
France has an economy that is self sufficient compared to the UK, its trade is in agricultural commodities and goods not financial services , and its Banks are staid. It has neither a property owning culture or a shortage of developable land ( quite the reverse ) .It had no sub prime issue in the first place ( unlike us !). Its high level of unemployment is endemic and due to its leftist culture.
Under the coalition more UK workers have taken UK jobs than foreigners . Under Brown of the increase in employment levels under Labour, 72 per cent was accounted for by foreign worker so the picture is improving but you will still be lucky to find an English person in Sports Direct.