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The Tories are bleeding us dry

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On 15 May 2017 at 8:59pm Chunky. wrote:
This country literally can't afford to keep the Tories.

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On 15 May 2017 at 9:15pm Snowdrop wrote:
Running scared are we.....landslide
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On 16 May 2017 at 7:22am Citizen Smith wrote:
Let's all pay more tax under Labour to pour more money into the NHS.
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On 16 May 2017 at 11:51am Andymac wrote:
Unfortunately we can't really make a valid comparison with Labour's proposals yet as they are still trying to find someone in the Shadow Cabinet who can do sums.
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On 16 May 2017 at 1:06pm Precis wrote:
The Blair government put massive funding into the NHS but it all got snorted up by GPs and administration. Everyone in the NHS thinks they are underpaid but there is no shortage of people from afar to happily do their jobs for less.
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On 16 May 2017 at 3:06pm I know you're trolling.. wrote:
...but actually 98% of people won't pay any more tax under Labour's proposals whereas the Tories haven't ruled out tax increases across the board. I guess Citizen Smith must be on over 80k a year so yeah, you're going to pay a bit more tax when Labour win but hopefully by then the queues at the food bank will be a bit shorter so you won't have to wait in line for too long.
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On 16 May 2017 at 4:07pm Andymac wrote:
The fact that Labour's soviet of comfortably off middle class revolutionary leaders have said that only a small percentage of people will pay more direct income tax is one thing. I don't think it's reliable btw - firstly, once politicians of all stripes get a taste for raising tax, they tend to keep going back for more, and secondly, Labour's grasp of basic figures so far in this election campaign is...well, let's just say they have some work to do on that particular skill. But leaving that aside, does anyone really think that the tax increases which Labour is proposing for businesses of all shapes and sizes will have zero impact on ordinary people? As business costs (inc tax) go up, the prices those businesses charge their customers go up. And if businesses can't sell their goods or services at a profitable level, they cut back on employment (usually one of their biggest costs) or go out of business or if they are big and sophisticated enough, they move to a lower cost jurisdiction. Either way, people in the UK lose jobs, spending power is diminished, UK tax returns are diminished, more must be borrowed, tax has to go up...etc etc. Have a look at Venezuela, one of Corbyn's favourites. And let's not forget the millions of people in this country whose pensions (either now or in the future) will depend on pension funds investments (not everyone has the luxury of a feather-bedded public sector final salary pension). If corporate profitability is impacted by increased tax or associated costs, share prices and dividends are affected, returns are lower and pension incomes reduced.
So can we please get away from this utterly ridiculous idea that Corbynomics is somehow something that nasty evil private sector fat cats will fund without any effect on anyone else? I realise that in those parts of the public sector where Corbyn, McDonnell and their groupies feel most at home, basic economic illiteracy and the ability to believe six impossible things before your taxpayer funded breakfast are regarded as positive virtues, but for those of us who have to live in the real world, please refrain from inflicting your nonsensical student union politics on us by pretending that this manifesto is anything other than a recipe for economic disaster. But maybe, as a true believing Marxist, that's what McDonnell is really after.
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On 16 May 2017 at 4:42pm Andy mac wrote:
You are forever destined to be slaves and pawns for the rich to manipulate.Give up any hope of anything better for you and your children. Learn to love your chains,toe the line and OBEY!
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On 16 May 2017 at 4:50pm Andymac wrote:
Fine, if Lewes' bourgeois armchair revolutionaries want to annihilate the entire economic system in this country, with all the destruction, suffering and impoverishment that would bring to absolutely everyone, then have the b*lls to say so, and acknowledge the price that that would entail. Stop poncing around pretending to be anti-capitalist whenever it is capitalism which has created the nice safe cosy prosperous bubble you all live in.
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On 16 May 2017 at 5:02pm Tory voter wrote:
Well said Andymac
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On 16 May 2017 at 11:50pm Dexter wrote:
Now that you've read the lying myopic guff from the above Tory supporting posters, the truth is that the overall tax burden has increased under this Conservative government.
Add to that, since the Chancellorship of George Osbourne, the Conservatives have created more debt than all Labour Governments combined & that includes massive Labour borrowing to underpin the banks. They've massively devalued the pound (quantitative easing) and then by their clueless lurching uncertainty over Brexit. Pretty much all their budgets have been a shambles with major ill-conceived financial policies withdrawn.
If any Labour government had displayed such immense economic ineptitude as the Tories, our great grandchildren would still be hearing about it for generations to come, that's the way our media work. After all we've got Dianne Abbot to laugh at haven't we.

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On 18 May 2017 at 2:56pm Deja Vu wrote:
I firmly believe a coin would have made more correct decisions than George Osborne.


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