On 26 Nov 2015 at 4:00pm Nurse wrote:
You may have missed it ,but Osborne announced that soon that instead of being given grants as they are presently to become nurses, prospective nurse will have to fund their own training in the form of loans.Nursing is not a well paid profession and now it seems that they will have to pay back many thousands of pounds out of their out of their future salaries.This will put people off becoming nurses surely.How can this be sensible when we need more nurses?Or is Osborne planning on getting the bulk his nursing staff from overseas? Surely a contentious policy considering the current immigration debate?
On 26 Nov 2015 at 4:20pm James wrote:
Of Course he is - mass immigration is continuing under this government faster and greater than even New Labour and they are doing it deliberately.
336,000.. where are they supposed to go??
We should of listened to Nigel he quoted a figure of 50,000 Romanians last year and he is spot on, not to mention his warning of jihadist fighters using the economic migrant crisis as a cover - oh how the PC brigade cried wacist.
What I can't understand is who votes for these morons
On 26 Nov 2015 at 4:58pm skeptical green wrote:
Even with immigration we will continue to have a shortage of medical staff and it is daft to deter trainees at the same time as trying to limit costs of agency staff. It is right that Immigration of workers is always in part a response to labour market needs but using he issue to peddle out of proportion fear of immigration is a bit of predictable UKIP propaganda.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 5:55pm tall poppy wrote:
Nursing has suffered a decline in status as an occupation. This will accelerate the decline and ensure fewer people are attracted to this often challenging role.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 6:33pm Mavis wrote:
Every other profession has to fund themselves, why not nurses ? This way only serious "Career" nurses will take it up, rather than wasting free resources to time wasters. Trained free by the NHS then moving abroad, or the private sector. Makes sense to me.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 6:46pm Mark wrote:
Because Maxis, nurses are grossly underpaid relative to other highly-skilled professions. It's not at all uncommon these days to do a recruitment process and find that on interview day neither of the say, two applicants have turned up. Other more attractive options. So where does this leave your ward? Unstaffed. The answer to that: less competent agency staff who are paid at a market rate - about twice what an NHS nurse earns. A false economy clearly.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 6:53pm Night Oow wrote:
What makes sense is to get rid of the Tory Bullingdon Club scroungers from Government. This Tory Government sole concern is making money for Private Big Business and not for this Countries needs. The sooner you get this FACT the sooner we can make a recovery!
Whats happening with the NHS Nurses is just one more example of Jeremy Kvnt destroying the NHS getting prepared for privatisation!
On 26 Nov 2015 at 7:23pm Andy wrote:
While nurses do a valuable job I'm not sure why the state should pay for their training when the vast majority of other worthwhile professions have to pay their own way? Teachers, social workers etc run up huge debts in order to qualify.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 7:26pm Day Oow wrote:
Dayoooooooh daylight come an me wanna go home.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 7:55pm Country Boy wrote:
Minimum starting salary of £21,692 for 37.5 hrs and if you are any good can progress to circa £100,000. Time and a half for overtime. Presumably there is still a pension scheme that others would die for?
On 26 Nov 2015 at 8:04pm Country Boy wrote:
OMG - reading the Royal College of Nursing's website further has made me feel quite ill. Check out all the perks / benefits / add ons etc. 50% here, 50% there, 33 days A/L PLUS public holidays. Check out the annual leave payments!
No wonder the NHS is so flippin expensive. There must be an argument for introducing a 'clean' salary.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 8:08pm Matron wrote:
Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement.
With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.
At more senior levels such as nurse advanced, modern matron and nurse consultant (Bands 7 to 8c) salaries range from £31,072 to £67,805.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 8:25pm Country Boy wrote:
I earn a salary but don't get paid overtime. I occasionally work evenings and sometimes nights but I don't get paid any extra. I get 25 days A/L per annum. Am I complaining?
On 26 Nov 2015 at 8:48pm Matron wrote:
And you save peoples lives and bring the sick back to health don`t you Muppetbrains.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 8:59pm Gizzus an enema wrote:
Matron - you're so butch and dominant.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 9:20pm Mark wrote:
Gordon Benett. £67k... £100... If those posts actually exist and I doubt it. Then there might be about 12 in the country. Most nurses retire at the end of their careers somewhere around top of band 6. Around about £35k.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 9:22pm Tipex wrote:
There's a huge range of professions that do immensely important work for society as well as nurses. For some reason nurses (who I agree do vital work) have become untouchables when it comes to public perception. Weirdly doctors - who you could argue save and improve more lives - are often seen as privileged and arrogant. Fact is I think society needs a range of professions at all levels and if the taxpayer is to be billed for training one then they should be billed for all.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 9:24pm Mark wrote:
If nurses were over paid and pampered there would be no shortage. Become a nurse Country Boy if it's so cushy.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 9:41pm KoS wrote:
This always happens, people complain about the ridiculously easy life and extraordinary pay scales of the public sector jobs they don't want to do themselves.
Newman was the same with teachers, a couple of years or so ago.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 9:46pm Newman wrote:
As a teacher. That's a funny thought.
On 26 Nov 2015 at 10:15pm Country Boy wrote:
But is it any different to being in any profession? You get those who are happy to stick with the routine work and earn a regular but average income while others work their way up the ladder and earn big money. I'm not sure how many salaried posts actually pay overtime though?
On 26 Nov 2015 at 11:32pm Shepherd wrote:
Back in your Cave now Country Boy.. back.. back..
Come out again next week when I've got half a days low wage work and half a day of unpaid overtime work for you.. muppet!
On 27 Nov 2015 at 3:56am Fairmeadow wrote:
As a country we cannot recruit and retain enough nurses. No arguments about that.
Consequences are high levels of overseas recruitment, not ideal for a role for which communication is an essential skill, and very high costs to the NHS for fill-in agency staff, who may be qualified but can't do the job as well because they don't know hospital systems or where anything is.
Does this sound like a good argument for discouraging entry into training for the job?