On 17 Dec 2019 at 6:35pm Pink Sleeves wrote:
Now don't get me wrong, I think Steve is the absolute best comedian and I love his creations. Hugh Grant is actually a great actor and Maurice is one of my all time favourite films. BUT......There is nothing more off putting than being told by multi millionaires, dare I say champagne socialists, that we are thick/racist/stupid for wanting to leave the EU and should be voting Labour or Lib Dem. Own goal for them I think.
On 17 Dec 2019 at 7:29pm ar10642 wrote:
You won. Why are you still going on about it?
On 17 Dec 2019 at 7:31pm ar10642 wrote:
It's all going to be milk and honey now right?
On 17 Dec 2019 at 9:05pm Buzzard wrote:
Not stupid, Just misled, by the champagne swilling billionaires that control almost all the media you encounter. And, therefore, your mind.
On 17 Dec 2019 at 10:19pm David Stanley wrote:
What's wrong with champagne?
On 17 Dec 2019 at 10:35pm Buzzard wrote:
That depends on the champagne, and how much you pay for it. Breaky Bottom is an excellent local alternative, anyway.
On 18 Dec 2019 at 9:17am Green Sleeves wrote:
It's either "champagne socialists" or people playing "politics of envy"....no matter if you are rich, ok or poor....you can't possibly support the notion of a more equal and fairer society without facing these daft stereotypes. Created by right wingers desperate to smear and marginalise those with profoundly different ideas to them.
On 18 Dec 2019 at 10:04am Buzzard wrote:
Greensleeves, the wealthy like to think that the less wealthy feel envious or jealous, because that reinforces their feelings of superiority. They like to persuade themselves that their wealth is the result of some sort of faux-Darwinian "fitness" - winners v losers, where the correct fate of the losers is to be eliminated as part of humanity's evolution. The idea that the rest of humanity view them with anger and disgust, as monsters rather than role models, doesn't fit their mindset and is certainly not propagated by the media they control.
On 18 Dec 2019 at 11:44am Pink Sleeves wrote:
Oh you are such a hypocrite Pedro/Green Sleeves. I mean you never make generalized sweeping slurs about Conservative voters do you? Grow up. Socialism is in the past. The only Labour government in the last 50 years was headed by Blair who's more right wing than half the Tory party
On 18 Dec 2019 at 12:50pm Nevillman wrote:
I think you've just proved green sleeves point pink sleeves. Do you have to be a socialist to support a more equal and fairer society? You're the one doing the labelling and stereotyping and who is supporting the cult of celebrity by stating (maybe inaccurately) what the actors say. Say what you think about equality.
On 18 Dec 2019 at 4:14pm Pink Sleeves wrote:
Nevillman...what are you on about? Too much Christmas sherry?
On 18 Dec 2019 at 10:19pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@ "Pink Sleeves" - should I be worried that your username is based on mine, and that you still call me by a previous username that I've unfortunately not been able to access for a long while? I'm just letting you know it comes across a bit creepy.....but its not like we live in the same town or anything....
Blair was certainly not more right-wing than the tories, and definitely not the (post Ken Clarke era) tories of today! I respect Blair for bringing in many progressive policies over his time, but the things he did get wrong, were indeed pointed out at the time for being so by the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell (and NOT the tories). Blair did indeed bring in great electoral success, especially in the early days, but he also lost millions of voters as well. Moderate, democratic socialism is the way forward - plenty of countries operate this way across Europe. Unfortunately, nationalism will always exist to counter this, because of greed, ignorance, intolerance and insecurity.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 12:11pm Hamid Barr wrote:
On 19 Dec 2019 at 2:18pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Brexit and people buying into the Corbyn smears definitely would have influenced the vote....but even with that in mind, the more progressive parties (that at least presented an option on brexit) represented 54% of the electorate. Tories and Brexit Party represent the minority of this country, just not in parliament.
Liberalism and left wing values will continue to fight and stand up against a right wing nationalist government on a rigged first past the post system. They will find a way to get rid of this shockingly poor government who over 9 years has broken the country and divided it more than should be possible in this era. They can't hide behind disingenuous and dishonest smear tactics and Brexit forever.
Keep trolling, Barr, I've missed you.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 2:45pm Hamid Barr wrote:
Very interesting argument of yours Greenie quoting electorate percentages - something you seemed unable to take on board after the EU referendum. Mind you that was a single issue and I can't expect you to grasp the complexities of multiple issue General Elections and a host of candidates from all sorts of parties each standing on a different ticket. How's your man Ollie - I noticed him walking through Lewes with a face like a slapped fish.
Carry on drivelling
On 19 Dec 2019 at 5:00pm Pink Sleeves wrote:
What is wrong with patriotism? It's not something to be ashamed of. Excellent interview with David Starkey this week on YouTube discussing the issues that Labour and the Lib Dims fail to understand and until they do will remain in the wilderness of sensible UK politics.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 5:02pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@Hamid Barr - gloat if it makes you feel better. I'll try to refrain from saying "i told you so", after more failed Tory years in government and a significantly poorer relationship with the EU pans out.
Your lot are in the driving seat now, and unlike over recent months/years where we have at least had some control to stop the car going over the cliff, the dual-control foot brake has been removed and Boris can freely launch us all over beachy head. You can't blame Labour, Libs, "Ollie", "Greenie" and others anymore, as much as you'll try....
On 19 Dec 2019 at 5:33pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@pinkie, funny way of expressing patriotism by carrying out political acts of national self harm such as Brexit and policies of austerity, meanwhile widening inequality.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 5:36pm Pink Sleeves wrote:
Love your optimism for this country of ours GS. Talk it down all you want. Some of us are proud to be British and look forward to a good working relationship with the European union in the future.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 6:31pm Hamid Barr wrote:
No one's gloating Greenie that would be coming down to your level. But I have to say you've been proved wrong on all counts so far. Magnificent speech from Boris today to launch this country into better times.
Carry on behaving like a spoilt child if you wish it's great fun. Why not chill out and try a different mascara.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 6:49pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Proved wrong? Explain. I predicted a Tory majority.
Even if my views and opinions were in the minority (which they aren't in any case), doesn't make them wrong unless proved as a conclusively and implemented failed policy.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 6:51pm Hamid Barr wrote:
On 19 Dec 2019 at 7:13pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Come back to troll again when your lot "gets Brexit done". I can assure you it won't be 1st February 2020. There's a safe prediction. And when I mean "done", i mean fully resolved, reasonably permanent and trade deal with EU ratified....not "BRINO", as all you Daily Express readers would understand.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 7:18pm Pink Sleeves wrote:
Yes we know GS. We are leaving the EU on 31st Jan 2020 and the trade deal with be done by end of 2020. Most people do actually understand that you know.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 7:42pm Green Sleeves wrote:
It's likely to take a lot longer and will ultimately be inferior trading relationships given the simple facts of buying power and influence. All those FTAs we have with many countries and blocs already that currently exist through our EU membership will be compromised.
We know the downsides, but what are the actual upsides....and upsides that go beyond either irking our European neighbours and remainers. It can't be based on misplaced national pride either, it has to be something tangible. What will the actual tangible benefits be? Seems just a stubborn pride thing to me at this stage. The benefits seemed to have been long debunked to the point where Brexit supporters just mutter "get Brexit done".
On 19 Dec 2019 at 7:52pm Hamid Barr wrote:
You sound a bit upset Greenie. Dont you have some grapes to sweeten.
On 19 Dec 2019 at 8:07pm Green Sleeves wrote:
At least you're conducting yourself so well, Hamid Barr.
While I appreciate your concern for me, I'll be just fine. Who knows, with all this Brexit mayhem, the tories will probably resort to legalising and selling/taxing cannabis to fund the UKs diminishing role in the world. Maybe in just a few short years, you and I could be smoking a joint together down a local pub and shooting the breeze!
On 19 Dec 2019 at 9:17pm Hamid Barr wrote:
Eating a wart hogs vomit would be more entertaining.