On 11 Jun 2016 at 3:02pm TIm wrote:
Demo at Brighton Station Tues evening at 18:30. Spread the word.
On 11 Jun 2016 at 3:10pm Tired DFL commuter wrote:
That's if any of them are home by that time - poor souls.
On 11 Jun 2016 at 4:56pm train nightmare wrote:
put it on twitter
On 11 Jun 2016 at 5:26pm train nightmare wrote:
Make sure it goes on a long time as a lot of people won't get there by then.
On 11 Jun 2016 at 7:47pm PN wrote:
How is it Southern Rail`s fault if the workers don`t turn upo for work
The Unions are doing this surely you can see that ?
On 11 Jun 2016 at 9:17pm Dr Beeching wrote:
PN - Southern's decision not to allow staff who have returned from strike to work any overtime inevitably places the blame on the employer. Southern's excuse is, of course, that they are only doing what the government has told them to do.
On 11 Jun 2016 at 10:13pm pn wrote:
That is not the problem. The problem is the retalliation work to rule and abseteeism and in any case this whole thing was started by a totally pointless strike in an industry that has to modernise .
It is absurd to blame the managment for this
On 11 Jun 2016 at 10:42pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
@PN - The workforce are the same people who used to deliver a pretty efficient service. I'm sure they're not doing this for fun.
On 11 Jun 2016 at 10:58pm Fred2016 wrote:
Many years ago I was involved in a commuters protest where we blocked the doors so they would not shut. This resulted in annoyed staff and a load of publicity. Now is the time for a commuters uprising.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 12:09am Late wrote:
I don't want driver only trains
On 12 Jun 2016 at 8:35am Earl of Lewes wrote:
I've been reading more about the background to this and what Paul Newman likes to think of as modernising is yet another attempt to improve the company's net profit at the expense of service and safety. I was very happy with things as they were: a station with a ticket office and newsagent, a quirky cafe on the platform (but they do need to improve the coffee), food and drink on the trains and a helpful conductor. Southern have already got rid of the on-board refreshments, but their long term vision for Lewes will be a station foyer with machines only and a branch of Costa (as if we need another one) and trains where passengers feel vulnerable. Is that modernising? No. It's just another example of the corporate world's obsession with maximising profits at the expense of quality. They used to add chalk to the flour used to make bread in Victorian times. I suppose that was modernising too.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 10:23am Tim wrote:
Imagine - Train hurtling towards Brighton at 90 mph. Incident occurs, driver badly shaken. Who looks after the 500 plus passengers who themselves need reassurance? Who looks after the driver?
On 12 Jun 2016 at 10:44am Historian wrote:
Absolutely, we are so passive here in Britain, burn a few tyres, if there aren't any sheep around. They want us to be more European after all !!! Good luck.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 5:36pm Clifford wrote:
PN - the Voice of Management. Unpaid too.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 8:31pm Southern Fail wrote:
BTW Do give yourself half a day to get to Brighton if you're going by train. Be prepared for catching the night bus too.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 10:00pm Horseman7 wrote:
B&H bus drivers are considering industrial action. So those of us without cars may not be going anywhere soon.
On 12 Jun 2016 at 11:38pm Sussex Dim wrote:
think itís about time that anybody, and indeed everybody, who is given a job, recognises that if management wants to make their job less safe, less stable, less rewarding in any respect, itís their duty to accept that decision with good grace.
And moreover, they should be grateful for being given a job in the first place. Thatís whatís wrong with people these days, they donít give their employers enough respect for their generosity.
We are all responsible for taking a back seat when it comes to opportunities to make our employers and their shareholders wealthier. We voted Tory for a reason, and we should all pitch in and support Southern in demonising and bullying their staff, until they do as theyíre damn well told. That way the business owners and shareholders get more money to invest in the trickle down economy. How do you expect to enjoy the fruits of social mobility if you donít work harder for less?
On 13 Jun 2016 at 9:29am Brexit wrote:
So what exactly has being in the EU done for workers rights here?
I'm confused as I thought leaving the EU would be the death nail for workers right and bosses would instigate a culture of bullying, sacking and generally putting profit first. Seems like that's a government backed policy anyway, I fail to see how it could be worse leaving the EU.
On 13 Jun 2016 at 10:20am ar10642 wrote:
Tim, the situation you describe has already been the case since the 1980s. Any Thameslink, Great Northern or Gatwick Express train (between Gatwick and Vic) already has driver only operation. As does c2c, most GWR suburban services, London Overground, a large chunk of Chiltern's services. That argument has already been lost, unfortunately.
For reasons stated in other threads, there is very little chance of the DfT kicking out GTR.
On 13 Jun 2016 at 2:16pm Lopster wrote:
and the trains will nearly all be of fixed 12-car formation soon - that's a lot for one person to be responsible for
you can bet that guards NOT closing doors means that they will be phased out completely ASAP