On 10 Dec 2023 at 8:16pm Tom Pain wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has seen the news about the government data analyst from New Zealand banged up for seven years for leaking statistics he compiled about bad batches of jab juice?
On 11 Dec 2023 at 7:40am Green Sleeves wrote:
Thanks for making me aware of this. Sounds like he deserved it, as the leaked information, despite being confidential, doesn't uncover anything sinister or anything we weren't aware of before. Had it been a genuine revelation, i would have sympathy for the guy. I'm sure he'll be out in 4 years with good behaviour though, if you're that concerned about him. He's unfortunately not a whistleblower of any value. Just an opportunist like yourself, desperate to still be relevant. If you're gonna be a whistleblower, then make it count.
You must be also irked about the covid enquiries as well. They are STILL talking about lockdowns and vaccines like they were important! how dare they!!
On 11 Dec 2023 at 8:55pm Tom Pain wrote:
Yeah, I suppose all those deaths are irrelevant if you got a good batch you can have a laugh at the suckers. Spare me the enquiry, the gov investigating itself yet again - mistakes were made, robust measures will be taken, downing street calls in the decorators again. Nothing to see here.
On 11 Dec 2023 at 9:14pm Green Sleeves wrote:
It was 4 deaths from out of 12m jabs. The guy who "leaked" the info has no clinical background. It would be nice for just one of these whistle-blowers to actually have a clinical background and have some credibility, but they rarely ever do.
On 12 Dec 2023 at 8:43pm Tom Pain wrote:
He was employed by the NZ government as an IT worker analysing data, he isn't even a phd in gender studies either, so I suggest you ignore the post altogether and be desperately relevant and credible elsewhere. I was referring to a matter in which a lot more than four people were killed as it happens.
On 12 Dec 2023 at 9:14pm Green Sleeves wrote:
He worked in IT....hardly think he's qualified. But you got to take whatever scraps you are thrown....
On 12 Dec 2023 at 9:52pm Tom Pain wrote:
Rumble - Liz Gunn, the mother of all revelations video. Try that scrap and see if you can still be flippant. Some places have a post jab mortality rate of 30%. About 17 minutes in the shocking revelations begin but the whole video is recommended if you have the patience. Who knows what caused the spike in deaths but don't you think it would be useful to try and find out. Also why the government were hiding the statistics might be interesting.
On 13 Dec 2023 at 8:14am Green Sleeves wrote:
Liz Gunn, oh boy I thought it would yield some interesting results if I did my due diligence, and I wasn't disappointed....see link
I'm just doing you a favour before you share these sources with people in real life thinking it's credible.
Check it out here »
On 13 Dec 2023 at 8:49am Green Sleeves wrote:
Somehow it linked another Israeli study debunking conspiracy theory claims related to covid. Lets see if the link works this time about Lizz Gunn
Check it out here »
On 13 Dec 2023 at 8:52am Green Sleeves wrote:
Lizz Gunn is also the leader of a fringe, far-right party called NZ Loyal, which got about 1% of the vote last time out. She is a conspiracy theory grifter.
On 13 Dec 2023 at 2:12pm Tom Pain wrote:
Shoot the messenger when you can't face the message. Sick your fingers in your ears and shout conspiracy theory as loud as you can while keeping your eyes tight shut. Whatever you do don't listen to the man being interviewed, he's a left wing bleeding heart type, not your type at all.
On 13 Dec 2023 at 3:12pm Green Sleeves wrote:
If the messenger is some lolcow, then you are damn right I'll shoot it. Both Liz Gunn and this guy in IT are not credible sources. Give me someone credible and even approximating a medical background and I'll show less irreverence and hostility towards it.
On 13 Dec 2023 at 8:25pm Tom Pain wrote:
You won't even listen to the whistleblower and say he's not good enough for you. How ignorant can you get? Progressive????????, you'd be too reactionary for the Spanish Inquisition tory boy.
On 13 Dec 2023 at 9:36pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I read the claim. 20% death rate? Come on, its not even realistic. This would have meant thousands of deaths and they can't be accounted for because it didn't happen. Pretty sure a relatively small country like New Zealand would notice after administering 12.6m vaccines!!
The fact he went to organisations like Infowars to peddle this says it all really. Far too much misinformation on social media networks that some boomers rely now on too heavily for their source of news.
On 18 Dec 2023 at 10:22pm Tom Pain wrote:
It's the government's own figures - leaked by the man who compiled them! It's a pity your due diligence can't quite get as far as looking at the evidence! Why was the government keeping a lid on it? Why are the excess death numbers so high? Could there be a link? Duh.
On 19 Dec 2023 at 9:19am Green Sleeves wrote:
I already looked into this claim now on multiple occasions, and each time it comes across as ludicrous and easily debunked. The claim is based on misinterpreted data, and by someone who didn't "compile" the data, or remotely an expert on data, vaccines or human health. The claim that 20% of vaccinated New Zealanders died simply doesn't add up, which is what this fool attempted to sell to websites known to publish misinformation.
For the claim to be true, New Zealand would have required to have 800,000 vaccine deaths, given the wild percentage claim, and the number who were vaccinated. This is simply not remotely true, and frankly impossible to cover-up by even a sinister far right-wing government, let alone some liberal social democrat government as NZ had during the pandemic under Jacinda Ardern. 4 people have been linked to vaccine deaths in NZ lol, not 800,000. The claims were made by hysterical non-experts who want clickbait material for mugs like you to cling on to. The dude extrapolated numbers and came up with wild assumptions that vaccines have killed more than 10m worldwide. They did it for the attention, why can't you understand this? It spreads like wildfire on social media outlets like facebook where people are so unbelievably gullible and can't use google properly to fact-check, as they're usually old boomers unable to use technology for good, and merely as a tool to spread nonsense to fill in the void of retirement.
On 19 Dec 2023 at 11:10pm Tom Pain wrote:
The "dude" was entrusted by the NZ government to track the number of the injections given so that the manufacturers could be paid correctly. Do you suggest that they gave this important, sensitive contract to some dude off the street they didn't know from Alex Jones? Maybe in your world. Your comments don't tie at all with what the man said. He asked for his findings to be investigated because he was concerned about the unexplained excess death statistics. I hardly think it deserves the scathing vituperations you heap on him with such malevolent enthusiasm. This makes me think you have not seen his presentation and know nothing but what you have scavenged from the gutter media and probably they deserve a rabid diatribe levelled against them. If you disagree with his presentation, kindly refute his findings one by one, hopefully you have an explanation for the excess deaths and can suggest a remedy.
On 20 Dec 2023 at 11:44am Green Sleeves wrote:
I heap "vituperations" on him because he deliberately and illegally leaked data to the most extreme right-wing propagandists and trolls which have been duly misinterpreted and not age-adjusted either, which gives bogus figures and then extrapolated to 800,000 deaths - which simply cannot be accounted for across the entire planet, let alone a tiny country like New Zealand. The figures simply never add up when the conspiracy theories get their hands on them and totally misinterpret them for their own poisonous agenda. Remember that the guy at Infowars, Alex Jones (who you namechecked last time), was successfully sued by the Sandy Hook families when he claimed they were all crisis-actors and that the massacre was in fact a hoax by the government. This is why people like him, and you, should be treated with contempt (especially after multiple times). Even the guy in the middle of this saga doesn't seem to be taking his court appearance seriously and shouting "FREEDOM!!" like he's William Wallace, while wearing a goofy sweater. No medical or clinical expertise on top of that just to add to the lack of credibility.
Excess deaths in New Zealand rose by 3,500 between 2021 and 2022 - now you could of course attempt to attribute that all down to the vaccine, but what happened to the 796,000 other deaths this giant conspiracy leap is attempting to convince us of? The official reason for the excess deaths falls more in line with covid casualties, as the vaccine roll-out came later. In terms of vaccine deaths in New Zealand, only 4 are confirmed, after 180 cases reported and identified as possible related deaths to the vaccine. 4. Four. Not eight-hundred thousand. His claims don't add up. Good lord, even if you don't want to use official statistics and prefer less reliable anecdotal evidence then think clearly - if 20% of people who were vaccinated got killed off, I think all of us would be able to notice it visually and among our friendship, family and colleague circles......now i'm not pretending i know tens of thousands of people, but i sure don't know any individual that died of the vaccine. But i am aware of those that caught and died of covid.
On 21 Dec 2023 at 11:58am Tom Pain wrote:
Remind me, was the average age of with and of covid death 82 and the normal average of death 81? I'm sure it was, so it wasn't exactly the black plague. Perhaps the whistleblower couldn't find any other journalist with the bottle to publish his findings, she looks rather formidable and I wouldn't choose her to look after my poodle but needs must. Mind you I wouldn't chose Jackboot Jacinda either, she certainly did a very good impression of a fascist dictator, whatever ticket she ran under. All in all you offer a good case for not scrutinising governments and punishing whistleblowers if they meet your disapproval - a true progressive, three cheers and down with democracy, tory boy.
On 21 Dec 2023 at 3:41pm Green Sleeves wrote:
42 of every 100 people that died of covid were over 85 years old. I care about old people, and a lot of them died, but so did many others who were your age and younger. It wasn't the black plague, but we don't live in the middle or dark ages with as primitive medicine. Progress saved millions more lives from dying. Thankfully.
Some whistleblowers are genuine, some aren't. The claims made off the back of it are just too nuts to take seriously. You fall for them all. It's embarrassing.
On 21 Dec 2023 at 8:42pm Tom Pain wrote:
You still haven't seen the guy's presentation. I have no idea what bizarre reporting you are fulminating against with your rabid nonsense about far right lunatics and conspiracy theories. Some self effacing, quiet, bleeding heart liberal type suggests that there were duff batches of vaccine and you turn into full Chairman Mao mode finding fascists under the wallpaper, give us a break.
On 21 Dec 2023 at 10:08pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Au contraire, mon capitaine Pain! I have heard from the horses mouth. The ghastly 1hr rambling nonsense interview from ghastly Alex Jones, with Barry, Liz and Steve all doing their best/worst to not sound like they are highly medicated. Its an absolute wreck-fest. This is credible to you?
On 22 Dec 2023 at 9:18pm Tom Pain wrote:
Not at all credible. Jones is not someone I have any interest in, though I suspect you enjoy him. Keep on ignoring the real thing and plead ignorance- you would make an ideal politician, or journalist in the present farrago.
On 23 Dec 2023 at 12:12pm Green Sleeves wrote:
None of them are credible, Alex Jones is merely the host and paying them substantially to interview these fellow grifters. Must do better, Tom Painful. Your 2024 new years resolution must be to improve your sources, so that they can at least not be reacted at with total ridicule and hysterics. I tried hard to take them seriously, before you accuse me.
On 24 Dec 2023 at 10:18am Nevillman wrote:
There's a very interesting Wikipedia entry called COVID 19 - misinformation which lists all of the alleged misinformation put out on COVID and then systematically analyses it to see if there is any truth. There is a lot of this information relating to it's causes, effects and treatments. The overall conclusion is that none of them are true and many had a negative effect. Infection was higher in areas of America in which trump was most influential for example.
Other articles I have found are useful for looking at why COVID became such fertile ground for conspiracy theories. "An unknown and fast spreading pandemic with uncertain outcomes is a perfect candidate for an existential threat." Don't read the NIH article "what drives belief in COVID 19 conspiracy theories" Tom. You won't like what it says about you.
On 24 Dec 2023 at 11:01pm Tom Pain wrote:
Do you mean Trump of Operation Warpspeed - Trump the vax pusher? Wiki? From the bloke who proudly doesn't believe things written on the side of buses? Have you seen those theories about politicians raking it in from covid related scams? Only tinfoilers fall for that. Merry Christmas you Santa denier.
On 25 Dec 2023 at 8:52am Nevillman wrote:
Baby jesus. The first conspiracy theory. Father Christmas. The second conspiracy theory.
Happy Christmas whatever you believe in.
On 25 Dec 2023 at 9:12am Green Sleeves wrote:
I think Tom Pain had a series of strange dreams/nightmares last night, but now it's Christmas day he has a new appreciation for life and currently sourcing the finest and largest goose in Lewes.
Merry Christmas to all, especially conspira-TP.
On 25 Dec 2023 at 8:45pm Tom Pain wrote:
Did you get that from wiki nev? Unfortunately the only goose in town had green sleeves and looked extremely unpalatable.
On 27 Dec 2023 at 10:24am Nevillman wrote:
I actually got it from a cracker. We learn gullibility from an early age.
On 28 Dec 2023 at 9:19pm Tom Pain wrote:
Yeah, the arctic has been "going to be" ice free every year for about 20 years and the prophets are still in business and there's more of them. I prefer the old school ones though, that Michael Mann is a multi millionaire and he still looks really cheap and dodgy.
On 29 Dec 2023 at 9:25am Green Sleeves wrote:
Had to Google this Mr Mann, seems definitely like the kind of guy that Tom Pain would have a strong negative opinion on. Way too credible for him.
To another year of trying to mend Tom Pains broken brain.
On 29 Dec 2023 at 10:06am Nevillman wrote:
Tom finds an article written by someone 20 years ago saying there will no ice in 20 years time and everyone who has said anything about the earth warming up is immediately discredited.
I'd never heard of Michael Mann either so looked him up and now I know of the existence of two of them. I presume you are upset by the wealth of the climatologist and geophysicist rather than his namesake the film director. How do you know he is wealthy? Are you suggesting he gained his wealth in some underhand way that is causing him to lie to us about global warming? Why is it a problem to you if by chance you haven't mixed up the two Michael Menn and the scientist is very wealthy?
We should be told.
On 29 Dec 2023 at 10:21am Green Sleeves wrote:
I suspect both are wealthy. Which is hardly surprising given both can be googled easily and seem reasonably well known....prominent scientists can be well off, doesn't necessarily make them dodgy or corrupt, Mr Pain.
On 30 Dec 2023 at 10:04am Tom Pain wrote:
Mann of the lying hockey stick graph. I thought you two would have heard of him ,being so knowledgeable about the climate ahem catastrophe. Mann who somehow managed to erase the Roman and medieval warm periods.
On 30 Dec 2023 at 12:27pm Nevillman wrote:
I'm happy to accept the broad consensus among scientists that the earth is warming without going into the detail. There does seem to be some dispute over how to measure temperatures before we could measure the temperature and this obviously provides material for conspiracy theorists. I know how excited you get with any discrepancy like that. To have been told that Mann is wealthy as well..... It must have been Christmas.
On 31 Dec 2023 at 9:56am Tom Pain wrote:
It was Christmas, though I'm sure you don't indulge in such primitive,conspirative celebrations, Mr Scrooge. And how you've missed the welter of predictions of melted ice caps and the end of snow makes me think you must consider them mere conspiracies of lunatic minds. I'm sure that bureaucrats all earn the fabulous salaries that make them multi millionaires and there's nothing to see there. I can't think why I mentioned it. I'm sure he really thinks the Roman and medieval warm periods are just the conspiracy theories invented by Evil Big Oil, the Alien Invader to take over the Earth. Let's hope the new year doesn't bring the shocking sea level rise that will surely submerge Newhaven and Seaford not forgetting the antique markets of Cliffe so necessary to my lavish lifestyle.