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On 16 Mar 2017 at 8:15pm Rumour milley wrote:
I heard a rumour the snow drop pub is sold for development. Anyone know if this is true?
Also what's going on at daisy's sandwich shop? New owners? Bit odd in there at mo.
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On 16 Mar 2017 at 9:16pm Lopster wrote:
Surely not (on both counts)
Snowdrop is a lovely pub, Lewes really cannot support more houses without consideration given to parking, doctors, dentists, schools, etc.
Let's knock a school down for houses too - idiot planners and authorities
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On 16 Mar 2017 at 10:37pm Tony@TheSnowdropInn wrote:
A Statement from Rumour Control:
No the Snowdrop is not for sale and there are no plans for development. However, under the new business rates valuations in Lewes, our valuation has more than doubled and if this goes through then the business will be unviable as a pub at the point when any transitional measures have finished. This situation is not unique to the Snowdrop and a large proportion of Lewes' pubs will no longer be commercially viable if the new valuations are not altered and current government policy is not radically changed.
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On 16 Mar 2017 at 10:54pm The Old Mayor wrote:
And this applies to all businesses not just Pubs.
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On 16 Mar 2017 at 10:58pm Rumour milley wrote:
@Tony. That's a serious threat to your business. May common sense prevail over your situation. Arbitrary tax hikes are not going to fix things. Stay strong
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 6:39am GoM wrote:
Just rejoice and be thankful ..............and don't go protesting like we had over the "poll tax"
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 8:50am Tabitha wrote:
Pubs are old fashioned, smelly and common. I prefer aqua and bills.
 
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 9:30am Frak wrote:
Old mayor, I think pubs will be hit hardest due to how the rates are worked out. Another ridiculous tax increase by the party that apparently helps small businesses.
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 10:37am Oh no! wrote:
Don't let the Daisy's rumour be true! They are such a lovely, kind couple. What a shame it would be for Lewes to lose this business. Shame on ESCC and their arbitrary, common-senseless tax hikes!
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 11:35am Dan wrote:
Yes Daisys gone, taken over by a younger couple, not the same atmosphere but good luck to the new owners!
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 12:47pm Taxman wrote:
@Oh no! ESCC do not set business rates. That is the responsibility of Philip Hammond.
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 1:54pm 3 councils and wrote:
they have no control over these taxes ?
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 2:56pm Zebedee wrote:
It's hard to underplay the effect this weirdly calculated rate rise will have on the pubs of Lewes. For instance:

The Gardeners Arms sees a 224% increase, the Kings Head 307% and the Swan a whopping great 424%! Even the Lansdown's rates are set to nearly double.

I mean, how crazy is that? It's a rise that seems almost deliberately calculated to close independent pubs.
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 3:37pm Taxman wrote:
@3 councils ... Business Rates are set by HMRC and are gathered by the government, which decides how much it wants to return, as Grant, to local councils. So, no, none of our three councils have any say in deciding how much to charge.
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On 17 Mar 2017 at 3:40pm Sam wrote:
It seems mightly unfair that pubs are taxed on their success and not the size of the building how can the likes of the Lansdown and the gardners have larger council tax bills than far larger properties such as the Crown, Royal Oak etc. The government pulled pub companies across the coals for penalising their tenants with unfair rent rises if they were successful tenants and now they are doing worse! Goodbye small community boozers ...
 
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On 18 Mar 2017 at 9:42pm Just me wrote:
I thought that business rates were worked out on the size of the commercial property and if the business owner had more than 1 premises? Does it also depend on the type of business you have? Or is this because you/pubs sell stuff for consumption (drinks/food?)
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On 19 Mar 2017 at 12:47am Belladonaa wrote:
Very rarely drink in pubs any more. Just can't afford it. Sad - I'd like to.
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On 19 Mar 2017 at 7:51am Sam wrote:
Hi just me- this is precisely why it is very unfair because for pubs it has nothing to do with size of commercial property, it is based purely on turn over, such a terrible business model, small successful pubs that physically can't sell anymore beer and can't do food are screwed.
 
 
On 23 Mar 2017 at 5:39pm Lamdan wrote:
Business rates are not based on turnover. The first part of calculating business rates is the rateable value given to the property which is based on the rental value of the property i.e how much annual rent you could get for the property. Once you have determined the rateable value you times it by the multiplier that is set by central government. If the rental value was 24k and the multiplier was set at 50p your annual business rates would be 12,000. Reliefs for small businesses are available.
 
 
On 23 Mar 2017 at 11:15pm The Greek wrote:
STOP VOTING TORY THEN
those vermin will destroy this country


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