On 9 Feb 2012 at 4:52pm lewes cinema wrote:
An online petition to save Lewes Cinema has been launched today. The direct link to this is below but you can also find a link on our website. For those that prefer pen and paper we will be taking signatures in-person at this weekends screenings of The Iron Lady, Puss in Boots & The Skin I Live In.
Check it out here »
On 9 Feb 2012 at 4:59pm Clifford wrote:
I'm not sure what 'save Lewes Cinema' means? Aren't the Town Council going to keep the cinema operating? Can you explain lewes cinema? Do you mean 'Keep Lewes Cinema under present management'?
On 9 Feb 2012 at 5:23pm lewes cinema wrote:
Lewes Cinema as-people-know-it-now will cease to exist. It's not 'managed' by us we ARE the cinema in every respect - film equipment is ours, the balcony seating is ours but most importantly the programming is all us, not to mention the lovely Marilu who also adds her own unique character. We are not merely minding an anonymous cinema facility that anybody can run - we are a heart & soul operation. So no, it would be misleading to say we merely manage the cinema. The Town Council are going to keep 'a cinema' going but not as it is now. People like us as we are so it should be left alone - by all means the council could put new seats in but with Lewes Cinema remaining as the operators.
As far as the film club are concerned - they ARE very experienced.. at operating a club, and that is a very, very different proposition to operating a cinema.
Lewes Town Council are intending to remove us from the All Saints without consultation - we are the instigators of 'Lewes Cinema' and Lewes Cinema is the trading name of Lewes Cinema Ltd. There was no Lewes Cinema before we started it - only a film club. Contrary to what the critics think (who all seem to reside on this forum where they can courageously make comments and be anon!) the vast number of people who have written to us say they want US to operate the service - not the council. The wording of the petition is clear and anybody who has any questions can meet one of us at the weekend.
WE are not anonymous Clifford and generally we will not respond to anonymous comments.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 5:33pm Kettle wrote:
Sorry if i've got it wrong but I've been busy and not read about this -
How can the council take a business from the people who set it up?
I do love the cinema. As it is. Just wish they allowed dogs and it would be perfect.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 5:41pm lewes cinema wrote:
Kettle - honestly we don't know where they are coming from at all. It obviously has serious implications for any small business wanting to operate out of publicly-owned buildings in Lewes and is bound to have a negative effect on future investment in the town if the council is seen as hostile to small business. Why would anybody spend 10 years carefully nurturing something (as we have) if it can then be forcibly taken-over?
On 9 Feb 2012 at 6:35pm Clifford wrote:
I understand your feelings Lewes Cinema, but the public interest is whether there are going to be films at All Saints, not who is running it. Obviously if you get an overwhelming response on your petition I hope the council will look at it. But, as I may have said on another thread, your angry, vituperative and personally aimed style is hardly the best way to make friends.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 6:51pm Lewes Cinema wrote:
Not responding to anonymous critics - sorry. There are other channels for legit responses.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 7:09pm Clifford wrote:
You said it Lewes Cinema - no-one who comments on this site can expect a response from you.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 7:13pm Cinema Lover wrote:
As usual the normal negative response to a legitimate post about something people in Lewes like. Nothing is safe on here from pricks like clifford and the like
On 9 Feb 2012 at 8:15pm Cinema goer wrote:
As someone who has recently discovered Lewes Cinema I am disappointed with this turn of events. OK the cinema is fairly basic but it also has its charms and unique atmosphere. It seems that bloke Fishhousen, or whatever his name is, was the instigator of the council's actions. Further, there is precious little information on LTC's website to justify their actions, especially with regard the level of profit they think they will make.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 8:17pm Kettle wrote:
How is it in the public interest for the council to be able to take over businesses that other people have set up.
I haven't read the previous posts yet. I will do now. But no wonder they are peed off. I'd be furious.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 9:22pm bonzodog wrote:
LC you did say you would not post on here anymore. And, who writes under the name Lewes Cinema? If the effervescent Marilou why not say so, if the volunteer master of all trades, Kevin, why not say so too. Who are you. And...all this wonderful equipment you say is yours, according to your accounts has a book value of less thean £5,000!
On 9 Feb 2012 at 9:29pm ADT wrote:
We had an established arts centre in the town I used to live in. It was quirky, individual, produced loads of interesting work and people who went on to great things, and was used by many.
In the 90s the council essentially closed it down, as they were building a million pound purpose-built place. This new one had potential but was too big and poorly thought out. A colleague of mine went to work there as a manager and was instrumental in it rapidly failing. It went t*ts up and is now a cafe with nothing going on in the disused rooms and studios behind it.
As far as I know the old arts centre still exists, but in a different building and is only a shadow of its former self.
This seems like a similar situation to me.
Poor show by Lewes Council.
PS - What is the difference/relationship between Lewes Film Club and Lewes Cinema?
On 9 Feb 2012 at 9:39pm Fishhousen wrote:
Oh No I wasn't!
On 9 Feb 2012 at 9:40pm Merlin Milner wrote:
ADT the reverse is true. LTC own All Saints and it was run by a voluntary organisation, it imploded and LTC took over running it and have since invested heavily in it. That was nearly 10 years ago. All Saints is a great place and like the Town Hall is very popular.
On 9 Feb 2012 at 10:04pm onewhoknows wrote:
Hey congrats Lewes Cinema, I see that you are going to get several hundred pounds from the Lewes Lottery. How does that square with being a commercial limited company?
On 9 Feb 2012 at 10:31pm ADT wrote:
Confused... so Lewes Cinema are tenants, or hire the place?
On 9 Feb 2012 at 10:59pm Merlin Milner wrote:
LC hire All Saints.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 8:29am DFL wrote:
Well, as I understand it, Lewes Cinema Ltd (LCL) have been hiring the All Saints Centre (ASC) for the past 10 years at a rent of up to £20 per hour. I don't know how much LCL have made over the years, but my guess is that it's probably a fairly lucrative venture - hence why they would want to hold on to the venue. On the other hand, if Lewes Town Council (LTC) now set about organising future, regular, cinema events, then I guess all the profits from that would be ploughed back into the LTC pot, to be used presumably for the benefit of Lewes residents ? What would be useful is to see a business plan from LTC showing how the "new" venture is to proceed, outlining ticket prices and costs etc., so that we, the residents, can see for ourselves the amount of profit that may be ploughed back. Equally important, it would be good to see the yearly accounts from LCL so that a comparison could be made between each, to determine which is more beneficial to the community at large. Sounds reasonable to me ?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 8:29am grumpy trader wrote:
looks like they have had the rug pulled from under their feet a little , my landlords changed after a good number of years and wanted to virtually double the rent , i had two choices . stay or go . if i chose to go , two more choices , do something else or continue the same , in another location , lewes cinema , . consider malling club , it has reasonable seating , large room , bar/kitchen set up that would work , LTC have taken nothing from you or your personality , they just want what they think is the best deal for them and the tax payer , put you energy s into , finding another venue , instead of being bitter and twisted this may well be a new and exciting time for you to grow , if you made the move quickly before LTC were ready there would be a a break in service at all saints , get the point , also there is car parking at malling club , but lets not start a parking debate , best of luck
On 10 Feb 2012 at 9:08am Cinema goer wrote:
DFL - absolutely right. Let us see the sums so that we can judge for ourselves. If LTC can offer the same or better and make a profit then that will be fine or did Fishhousen do his sums on the back of a fag packet?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 10:11am Kettle wrote:
Ok the council have a right to do what they (we) want with the building but that doesn't seem to be the whole problem. If they want to turf the cinema out and then set up in the same place offering the same service they are competing unfairly with people who have built up a business for many years.
How would people feel, for example, if it was a tea shop or some other business run in a council property was turfed out in the same way, only for the council to install a replacement. Nice for them - ready made customer base - running experience and procedures.
As for the cinema being a rip off - I think you all must have forgotten how much it costs to go to the cinema elsewhere. Also - very reasonable glass of wine.
I think that some people on this forum feel that everyone should work for free. What's wrong with making a profit?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 10:46am Clifford wrote:
Kettle wrote: 'What's wrong with making a profit?'
Nothing. And even better if that profit is ploughed back into the community.
By the way, interesting how quickly Lewes Cinema changed his/her name to 'Cinema Lover'. About 4 minutes by the look of it.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 10:49am Kettle wrote:
OK Clifford - why single the cinema out for this altruism?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 10:51am Clifford wrote:
Kettle - maybe because this thread is about the cinema.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 11:15am Lewes Cinema wrote:
Responding only to correct this - Lewes Cinema is not 'Cinema Lover' and we have no idea who cinema lover is. As I've said before there are other non-anonymous channels for communication.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 11:17am Lewes Cinema wrote:
And just to make sure the reason for this thread is not forgotten here is the link again.
Check it out here »
On 10 Feb 2012 at 11:41am DFL wrote:
Kettle has a point re turfing someone out only to replace them with someone else. Hence why I would like to see the business plans/case, and just who exact;y is going to be providing the proposed new service ? Memebers of LTC ? or members of the Lewes Film CLub ? We need input from an LTC bod sharpish....
On 10 Feb 2012 at 12:37pm Cinema Goer wrote:
Yes, input from LTC would be good. They are probably sitting in a smoke filled room right now doing the sums.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 1:32pm Ed Can Do wrote:
Funny, in most threads on this forum there seems to be a massive amount of support for the public sector and a socialist, redistribution of wealth through state ownership of enterprise at the expense of greedy, profit-mongering entrepeneurs but in this thread, Clifford aside, the Stalinists all seem to be keeping pretty quiet. I'm amazed there isn't a thread-filling back-and-forth between Paul Newman in support of the Cinema chaps and the numerous lefty types in support of the council's actions.
Personally, I think Lewes Cinema should as has been suggested, find another venue. They have the equipment they need as they already stated, they have the experience and connections they need and by all accounts, have a lot of fans so surely relocating and setting up before the council have a chance to get running would be the best way to stick two fingers up at whoever planned this in LTC? The Little Theatre and Malling Club are both pretty perfect surely?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 1:36pm Mr Forks wrote:
How about Lewes Cinema renting the Town Hall from the Council to show films in? The irony would be fantastic!
On 10 Feb 2012 at 1:48pm lemonysnickett wrote:
Part of the enjoyment of going to the Lewes Cinema is the atmospheric setting. Don't change the venue - it wouldn't be the same. Also it's currently in a venue central to Lewes. I'm not hiking off somewhere else with my biscuits and slippers.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 1:54pm Clifford wrote:
Excellent ideas Ed Can Do and Mr Forks. I was wondering though Ed Can do how many 'entrepreneurs' make their profits by renting publicly-owned property at clearly favourable rates.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 1:59pm lemonysnickett wrote:
Everyone who hires the All Saints, from toddler groups to large gigs makes money. If the Lewes Cinema gets good rates, they pass it on to their customers in reasonable ticket prices.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 2:14pm Kettle wrote:
If they get to be really successful maybe the council will want to take them over too. Sounds like a great business model to me... Wait until someone else has had the idea and done all the hard set up work, and then take it over by force.
Clifford, as I'm sure you were aware, I was trying to put the issue into context.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 2:21pm DFL wrote:
Kettle, you're dead right. Perhaps the government could nationalise all the banks e.g. Barclays, and then plough that loverly jubbly (£5.6Bn) back into our economy !! Does make me think though as to why the LTC suddenly thought about turfing the LCL out after 10 years and then get the LFC to do the work for zilch - I'm assuming they are "volunteers" ?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 2:26pm Cinema Goer wrote:
Come on LTC, is someone going to bite or have you all sworn a vow of silence?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 2:30pm Ed Can Do wrote:
Clifford, pretty much all of them in Russia.
At the heart of it, this is a really bizarre decision all round. If LTC are interested in making more return on their investment, why not just put the rent up? If they genuinely want to improve the facilities, why not agree some kind of PFI thing and share the cost with Lewes Cinema of putting better seats in? The only reasonable thinking that would support this move would be if LTC have seen the clamour of Lewes residents for a cinema and are concerned that a private venture might collapse and deprive people of the service all together. Therefore they've decided to run one themselves to safeguard cinema in Lewes and sadly, they only own one decent venue for such things and it happens to be the one Lewes Cinema already use.
I simply can't fathom out any good reason for what they've done otherwise, other than some kind of dubious, behind the scenes rotten boroughs type shenanigans but for the amounts of cash involved, it seems like a ton of hard work for very little return. Better off to stick to taking back-handers in return for dubious planning decisions.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 2:44pm Kettle wrote:
Banks are different. They only get taken over when they fail. Lewes council,s idea of taking over successful businesses is a much better idea.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 3:05pm Cinema Goer wrote:
Are LTC going to take over "Zu Adult Aeriel", "Mid-Morning Zumba", "Songs of the body" and "Maydays Comedy Course" ? Or are they not profit making organisations?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 3:26pm Clifford wrote:
Kettle - No, you were trying to take it out of context. The context is the cinema.
On 10 Feb 2012 at 4:32pm Kettle wrote:
The context that I was talking about is taking a business away from the people who set it up. I think you know this and I don't know why you keep splitting hairs. Maybe because your argument is not justifiable. Why should LC get taken over by the council and not other businesses.
I'm beginning to think that there is something personal going on here that I don't have the background to. There seems to some people who are opposed to the people who run the cinema. Could someone please enlighten me?
On 10 Feb 2012 at 4:36pm observer wrote:
Lewes Cinema, I do feel sorry for you after building up a business and then have the council step in and take over. Personally I have never visited your premises except 50 years ago when I got married their ( and still am happily married which seems to be a record today ). I cant see the council backing down so I just hope they buy the goodwill of you for a fair price. Good luck anyway.