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On Tue 23 Jul at 5:53pm Basil wrote:
The new Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has said if there is a second referendum and we vote Leave again she'll refuse to accept the result. Not a good start, is it? What do Lewes Lib Dems think?

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On Tue 23 Jul at 7:54pm Sussex Jim wrote:
The Liberals should remove the word Democrat from their title. They are no longer democratic, as they do not recognise a democratic peoples' vote- in 2016, to LEAVE the EU.
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On Tue 23 Jul at 10:12pm Sensible wrote:
The biggest and best people's vote ever was held in 2016, when a turnout never exceeded before or since voted "Leave" by a massive majority. All expert opinion since indicates the "leave" proportion has steadily increased since then. The British people did not vote to leave with conditions: where were they on the ballot paper? Anyone calling for a further vote in my lifetime will get the sharp end of my judgement. We survived standing alone against the world in the 1940s and the younger people would do well to experience this, themselves, preferably from inside our renewed military as we regain the correct British place in world affairs.
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On Tue 23 Jul at 10:28pm penguin wrote:
We survived standing alone against the world in the 1940s What utter rubbish. We survived because we had the help of America, Russia, the Commonwealth, not to mention a lot of help from Europe, (Polish pilots for example). Had we actually been on our own it would have been a very different story.
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On Tue 23 Jul at 11:14pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I think "sensible" is some sort of parody poster account, lampooning the kinds of people who might think they are actually being "sensible" with this nonsense ideology.
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On Wed 24 Jul at 12:28pm Hyena wrote:
What did you do in the war Sensible?
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On Wed 24 Jul at 2:53pm Nevillman wrote:
Just spoken to my mother who lived through the 40s and apparently sensible it wasn't that great. I am fully prepared to accept the sharp end of your judgement sensible. I don't actually think you are a very good judge.
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On Wed 24 Jul at 3:54pm David Stanley wrote:
Sensible is trolling his heart away and you're biting hard!
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On Wed 24 Jul at 4:24pm Nevillman wrote:
Thank you David. You are right. I'm just not finding any of it very funny at the moment.
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On Wed 24 Jul at 7:52pm Green Sleeves wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if "sensible" was the same prat behind the profoundly unfunny "and that's a fact"...similar in so far as sharing a heavy reliance on the same tired gag. Their posts are like reading a terrible sitcom script, wading through the trite punchlines in a distant hope of becoming somewhat amused and always ultimately releasing a long sigh of disappointment and apathy. What a waste of space. I'd take Hamid Barr over this anonymous creep any day.
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On Wed 24 Jul at 8:41pm Sensible wrote:
But the simple fact, which reds and soap-dodgers dislike acknowledging, is that I am correct. The greatest electoral turnout ever voted to leave the EU completely. It was followed by a general election where the leave-favouring Conservative Party was the largest party. It was followed by a delay that ended when a much-loved political figure, twice elected Mayor of London, was himself elected Prime Minister by the largest party on a policy of cutting off the Common Market from its evil purloining of assets that belong to the British people. In politics, the time that has elapsed between the Referendum and October 31st is nothing: less than the length of a single government should be. We are taking back Britain, controlling our border, restoring proper punishment for wrongdoers, and renewing our high standing of old, because the British public in the voting booth repeatedly tells us to, and with the support of the world's most powerful president, a truly moral ally who even turns down his own salary. When the other countries have collapsed from their weak, divided governments where endless discussion and diversity took the place of decisive action, what part will you have played in the creation of a new, upstanding, traditional and truly united Kingdom? Will you be loyal and willing to make sacrifices for a generation or two? Or will you be lazy, spending other people's money until it runs out, and be unable to give good account of yourself when the court of your children's opinion stands in mortal judgement over your wilful dissent?
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On Wed 24 Jul at 9:15pm Hyena wrote:
Sensible, do you remember Alf Garnett ( Im sure you do ) youre just a pale imitation.
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On Thu 25 Jul at 8:12am Sussex Jim wrote:
Certain posters referring to another poster as a "prat" sums up the sorry state this forum has become.
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On Thu 25 Jul at 8:30am Sensible wrote:
I am correct, once again. The Prime Minister himself had said in the last 24 hours, speaking with authority, "The people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts". If doubters in Parliament create an election, it will undoubtedly see a great alliance of Mr. Farage and Mr. Johnson take power with a majority that will last for generations. Then we will be aligned with the good wishes of our friend the United States' president Mr. Trump, in having three bold, inspirational and wildly successful leaders with a shared friendship and goals, and who command unquestioning loyalty from armed forces, landowners and the richest employers. They will appoint who they choose to the great Offices of State. Then we can complete the tasks in the world that we are given, set society straight, and restore natural order and law.
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On Thu 25 Jul at 3:49pm Sussex Jim wrote:
I hope Boris pulls it off. I have noticed a general feeling of happiness among the people I have met over the last 24 hours. There is a positive feeling in the air. We can be an independent prosperous nation with very little effort if we can curb the wreckers. I was impressed how our Police cleared the path for the Prime Minister on route to the Palace yesterday. They used firm but fair force to maintain order.
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On Thu 25 Jul at 10:44pm Hyena wrote:
Jim , Ive noticed a very specific sense of despair among the people Ive met over the last 24 hours.
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On Thu 25 Jul at 10:54pm Local99 wrote:
Can anyone imagine just how hilarious it would be if a second vote also concludes with a leave win? I honestly can't think of a word that would describe the remainers' reaction.....
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On Thu 25 Jul at 11:28pm Hyena wrote:
Wont happen
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On Fri 26 Jul at 4:18pm Nevillman wrote:
Seems I'm moving in different circles to you Sussex Jim. Nothing but despair from anyone I've spoken to. Sensible, you haven't said anything to restore my faith in your judgement.
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On Sat 27 Jul at 8:34am Mark wrote:
Unlikely Local, the polls favour Remain. This would explain the resurgence of the Libdems. Brexit is happening against the will of the people. Google Brexit polls.
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On Sun 28 Jul at 11:48am Sensible wrote:
The broken and inadequate mental faculties of remoaners deserve the greatest contempt and punishment for standing in Britain's path. If Parliament risks overriding the democratically expressed wishes of the British people, it will be closed for a while in accordance with the result of the 2016 referendum. Britain overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU in its largest ever poll. Two elections have been won on this premise. The winning party in both has now elected, as is its right, a strong and intelligent "can do" leader who will carry out the wishes of the British people, come Hell or high water. To do otherwise would risk our partnership with the United States, foremost among our allies, and other nations who protect their people. The time for debate was closed in 2016. We, particularly groups such as my family, now need to see expressions of dissent and disloyalty locked away. It is time to rise, not sink.
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On Sun 28 Jul at 2:45pm Hyena wrote:
So youre putting you faith in three over privileged sexist racist self serving egomaniacs.
If your sensible I must be a Hyena!
Ive never been so pessimistic about the future.

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On Mon 29 Jul at 8:37am Nevillman wrote:
I can't actually work out of you are a troll or not sensible but just to let you know, I'll go on moaning, protesting, posting and anything else I want to do for as long as I want to do it. If you don't like it then tough.
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On Mon 29 Jul at 12:49pm Mister_D wrote:
What I'm looking forward to is the beautiful irony when Leave voters realise they've a) trashed the economy, have no job and are paying more than their house is now worth, and b) as they have no skills any other country would want - points based systems, minimum salary requirements! - and the EU will no longer have them, they can't even leave the country to find work. Unless it's picking fruit somewhere. Wonderful, bring it on and I'll buy up their reposessed house while we're at it.
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On Mon 29 Jul at 8:09pm Nevillman wrote:
As I have children, feelings for my country and no desire to live in a country fallen on hard times, I don't share your feelings mister d. I think it will just be hard living in a country falling apart and everyone blaming everyone else and noone taking responsibility. You won't find a leave voter.
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On Mon 29 Jul at 9:26pm Mister_D wrote:
Maybe, Nevillman, maybe. But I have found you can lead a fool to water but can't make him or her drink. Suffering will be its own learning experience, and the only way this is going to get resolved now. Also, the festival of schadenfreude as I crack open another cold German lager in my newly aquired, fortified, auctioned Leaver house as I watch the useful idiots fighting each other in the food banks, or begging to work on their Lord Rees-Mogg's estates is one I genuinely look forward to. I mean it, I'll feel deprived now if this doesn't happen.
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On Tue 30 Jul at 9:33pm Bert wrote:
I'm looking forwards to the golden age when the Great has been returned to Britain. We are not a state in Europe, we are a free country ! Anyone who says different is a traitor.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 8:13am Mister_D wrote:
Soon-to-be the 51st state of the US, Bert, you prefer that? Or will it be the Great Britain of Victorian serfdom you wish to return to? Zero rights and working for the overseer. You're probably retired though and don't care - it's all worth it so your self-esteem can get a tiny lift from associating yourself with achievements made by others, who are all dead now.
Like I said though, plenty of opportunity in a land filled with useful idiots and a wrecked economy - it's called disaster capitalism.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 8:27am Nevillman wrote:
Bert. If you think that living in a country with mass unemployment, a rapidly declining standard of living, Scotland leaving the Union, Northern Ireland potentially returning to the bad old days, an NHS operating on a profit motive for American health providers is putting the great back into Britain, then you are in for a treat. I'm sure you think that the EU has banned bent bananas but can you actually give me any examples of laws that the EU has imposed on us that have stopped us being a free country or blighted your life in any way.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 9:52am Bert wrote:
Better than being the 28th state in un democratic elected Europe. Don't recall voting for Ursula von de Leyden.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 10:25am Nevillman wrote:
You did have a chance to vote for the people who voted her in. I didn't have a chance to vote for the people who voted for Johnson.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 11:06am Mister_D wrote:
Yes Bert, your reasoning's a bit off there: Johnson has been coronated by 160,000 Tory party members, and this after 3 years of the government attempting to sideline parliament (still might prorogue it, which is essentially a dictatorship) as well as the judiciary being called enemies of the people: a phrase straight out of one of the 1930s totalitarian states. MEPs are elected, by us. Did you vote for one last time around? Also, don't get fooled into the false dichotomy argument, which is that because the EU isn't perfect it's therefore evil. It just isn't perfect, but what is. Make it better, don't chuck it all away.
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On Wed 31 Jul at 11:16am Mister_D wrote:
I think there's been a huge misunderstanding here: when Vote Leave said take back control, they never meant take back control for us - they meant take back control for them. And there agenda of disaster capitalism and taking away all our rights - to basically reshape the economy into even more of a fuedal one where we, the serfs, work for them, the lords. It's really a coup; why do you think the current government is basically just Vote Leave? To get 'Brexit delivered' for your benefit?? Don't make me laugh. You and everyone still religiously banging on about how great Brexit is are doing their work for them, against the common good.
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On Wed 7 Aug at 3:01pm Democrat wrote:
I have read all the responses to this thread and am not surprised that peoples opinions are so polarised. It mirrors what the countries response is. I voted to remain but I believe in the principles of democracy and accept that the majority of people voted to leave. You can go on about that it was only a 'small' majority or that the people who voted to leave were lied to or they didn't understand the consequences or they are racist but it basically boils down to the fact that we as remainers did not get the decision we wanted and are now saying it's not fair and that a 'people's vote should now take place. Forgetting all the Brexit arguments for a moment the thing at stake here is our democratic system. If we decide that the referendum vote should be ignored then what happens if a large vocal group of people who are well organised and well backed decided that they didn't like the result of the next general election. We have over the years been a country that strives to be tolerant of opinions that are different to our own but this debate has become such that I fear it will result in many people getting hurt and I fear even more that our political system will suffer irreparable damage. I don't want Putin to be right when he basically said that the wests political system and ideology had had its day.
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On Thu 8 Aug at 6:02pm Mister_D wrote:
Christ. It's very simple: one referendum can be overturned by another, or it can be trumped by a general election if that GE is fought on the issues of the original referendum. One plebiscite result is not the last and final word! It's not the end of democracy if we go back and say "So, you still wanna?".


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