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Not having a car

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On Sat 23 Mar at 8:59pm leweslover wrote:
Could you do it, would you do it, do you do it?
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On Sun 24 Mar at 7:16am David Stanley wrote:
I'd love to do it but need to change my business first. I intend to live car free in retirement. Electric bikes are a game changer but the more cyclists the more angry drivers unfortunately.
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On Sun 24 Mar at 10:29am Horseman7 wrote:
I've survived 4 years without a car, making extensive use of buses and Co-Wheels Car Club instead.
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On Sun 24 Mar at 12:01pm Tom Pain wrote:
Great idea,the trouble is our social infrastructure is built around car travel. 60 years ago there were grocers, butchers ,vegetable etc shops all over Lewes,now it's all centralised. Many people shop at out of town superstores as well and if you haven't got all day to spare please don't mention public transport. Families these days are well scattered and the cost of long distance rail travel is well over twice that of using a car despite the ludicrous fuel tax.
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On Sun 24 Mar at 3:28pm JillG wrote:
Not had a car for a dozen years. I shop locally as much as I can (2 butchers in Lewes, fishmonger, veg stall in the precinct (and May's in the Riverside), Friday food market, Harveys for convivial drink, Lansdown stores for dry goods), but when needed I can bike in a few minutes to the 3 Lewes supermarkets and put a great deal of heavy stuff in my pannier-baskets. It's of course not a feasible solution for everyone (re job/family etc), but car-owners can own a bike as well as a car, and try leaving the latter at home on occasion? For longer distances, I take my folding bike on the train for use at the other end; and researching split ticketing you can get to all sorts of distant places very cheaply.
If you give up your car, envisage all the ££ you'll be saving (purchase, service, MoT, fuel, parking, licence if the car isn't low-emissions) as in a jam-jar on the shelf which you can dip into anytime that you do need to hire a car or take a taxi.
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On Sun 24 Mar at 11:14pm Basil wrote:
I've never had a car. I've lived in London, Leicester, Lewes. I've travelled in Europe and the US. If you live in the middle of nowhere with no public transport I can understand it. There really is no need for a car for most people. And yet they insist they need one.
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On Mon 25 Mar at 10:01am Tommy wrote:
I have a car and so does my wife
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On Mon 25 Mar at 6:17pm pauline wrote:
I know this isn't the point of the thread but for anyone interested in an environmental take. Plane journeys produce nearly twice the CO2 per mile so if you have a single holiday for one person to Thailand for example at 6000 miles that's the CO2 equivalent of about 10 000 miles in your car. That's a lot of pootling around Lewes. Not sure if there's a moral to this though.
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On Mon 25 Mar at 9:36pm Bongo wrote:
I'm disabled. I need my car.
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On Mon 25 Mar at 11:17pm Earl of Lewess wrote:
There's no easy answer. It depends on where you live and work and what your personal circumstances are. In London, cars are pointless, as public transport is so good, but try commuting from Lewes to East Hoathly. If we had more cycle lanes, I could imagine giving my car up and joining a car pool instead.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 10:46am Tom Pain wrote:
Even pool cars aren't allowed on cycle lanes Earl. But seriously,how many bikes have you seen on the path to Ringmer? 5-6 years ago when I used it I never passed anyone else. It was just another of those EU directives used to paint a green veneer over their totalitarian machinery.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 1:33pm Hyena wrote:
Couldn’t help yourself could you Tom.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 4:42pm Sussex Jim wrote:
I think what Earl meant was that he would cycle more if there were more cycle lanes; and ALSO he would join a car pool for the occasional journeys when a car is the only practical solution.
But we have wasted far too much precious Council Tax in recent years on under-occupied cycle paths. This is 2019: not 1919 when working men cycled to work out of necessity. Most people now have cars, especially people like Bongo who needs one.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 5:41pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I'd be interested to know about the parking outside the marked bay. There are some spaces in Court Road that are so narrow that anything wider than a Smart car is likely to extend beyond the lines.
I've always understood that as long as your wheels are within the lines front and back, you're ok (or, to quote a friend, "You can't get a ticket for a hangover). We've parked our motorhome with a good couple of feet overhanging the line at the back, and so far haven't been ticketed for it.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 5:58pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@tom pain, seems that way. It's one of many smokescreens for the developing/forming EU stormtrooper super army that will eventually invade the globe and then we won't be able to say anything controversial, let alone mock foreigners. Tax rates will be at 110% as well to fund their "neoliberal" project, and perhaps line George Soros and the high order lizard people's pockets.

Wow, it's easy sounding gammon.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 7:02pm Basil wrote:
Greesnslves, the EU claims it has 'kept the peace' in Europe since 1945. And it performed that miracle without an army. So why have one now?
'Following Emmanuel Macron’s recent call for the creation of a European army, defence specialists and commentators were swift in their derision of the idea as a political provocation and pipedream. It was the first time a French leader had endorsed the idea, which is usually promoted by die-hard European federalists.'
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On Tue 26 Mar at 8:06pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Another thread that has drifted off the subject. But just to clarify, NATO has kept the peace in Europe since 1945.
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On Tue 26 Mar at 8:29pm pauline wrote:
Given recent history when I read posts now I can't help wonder whether some are Russian fake news. Green Sleeves' post is one of them. No offence if you are legitimate.
 
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On Wed 27 Mar at 6:28am Grumbleweed wrote:
Clock up over 30,000 miles annually through work. Could not do without one.
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On Wed 27 Mar at 8:38am Nevillman wrote:
Is this true green sleeves? You are a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.
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On Wed 27 Mar at 9:55am Ferret wrote:
@Sussex Jim: Which "under-occupied" cycle paths were paid for with council tax? As far as I am aware, funding for cycle paths (which are in reality footpaths as well) are usually paid for by developers and central government funds. Unless you are referring to a few white lines here and there. And the Ringmer to Lewes path is well used, by pedestrians and cyclists, being the only safe path alongside the road.
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On Wed 27 Mar at 1:40pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@nevillman - I assumed everyone knew I was just on a wind up to ridicule those that fret over the "big bad monster" that is the European Union.

And while I agree with Sussex Jim that NATO has played a significant role in retaining peace in Europe since 1945, I also think political cooperation across the continent has contributed as well. Brexit is pretty counter productive in that sense.
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On Wed 27 Mar at 6:43pm Basil wrote:
Greensleeves, who do you think the war we avoided in Europe was going to be betweem? Germany and France? Italy and Austria? Britain and Germany. Belgium and Luxemburg? You see how ridiculous the claims is? The only possible war would have been as a result of an invasion by the Soviet Union, which - although I believe they never intended to - was unlikely because, as Sussex Jim says, of the existence of Nato, not the EEC/EU.
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On Wed 27 Mar at 7:35pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Basil, I said the European Union played a role as well as NATO. Which I fully stand by as cooperating with neighbours is largely a positive progressive solution in general. I think it's unfair to downplay the EUs influence...but that's what sometimes happens if you have an agenda.
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On Thu 28 Mar at 12:09pm Tom Pain wrote:
Gosh greenie, that was certainly a broadside. How can a mere gammon counter the rapier of your wit? One disappointment though, you didn't call me a dolt. The effortless ease of your condescending attitude throws my lack of a public school education into stark relief. Cor blimey, guv', you really are a gent'.
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On Thu 28 Mar at 2:23pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@tom pain, I wasn't talking to you, hence the @basil....so don't get so defensive. As for your latter part of your indignant post, it's usually head banger brexiters who seem to have some peculiar deference for the wealthy and posh school educated and doff their caps at the likes of bojo and mogg....true "working class heroes" indeed. You dolt. (There, that better?)
 
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On Thu 28 Mar at 6:14pm Tom Pain wrote:
Ah,home again after a hard day digging up the road and whistling at women. I was replying to your@tp post, but thanks for the"dolt". What a great piece of serendipity your mentioning bojo. I asked an acquaintance who he thought would use the word dolt nowadays, you can guess his reply.... Boris Johnson! But about this European peace business,does Yugoslavia not count? Apart from that it seems all we have been doing in the war department is ganging up on easy meat like middle Eastern countries. What is it? Afghanistan, Iraq Libya, Syria, a nice bit of bombing overseas keeps us from each others throats.
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On Thu 28 Mar at 6:30pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@tp I think it's been predominantly the UK and US who have been doing most of the middle East and Afghanistan tours of duty.

We haven't been at each others throats because we share so much common ground and values. This does exist, even if not perfect, it's there and thanks to a close political union and alliance. It's a family, but sadly going through a tough patch, and one is leaving....perhaps.....maybe. For how long? Hopefully briefly.

What you on about digging roads and whistling at women? That makes no sense. I thought you were about 83.
 
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On Fri 29 Mar at 1:04am Tom Pain wrote:
We haven't been at each others throats because the ones who decide these things have more pressing concerns such as tightening control of natural resources in the middle east. Wars are extremely financially rewarding to those who create the money and those who use it to buy up vital resources and sell them as a nice little earner. I'm sure that most people, including me think of Europe as a family thing and a union is obviously beneficial to all. But it's turned into a tax farm a parasitic money machine devouring natural resources including people. In short, it's not what it says on the label. As Roger Daltrey said "It's a f....... Mafia!" As far as Rex Gammon is concerned, it's no trouble to us old boys.
 
 
On Fri 29 Mar at 11:45am Tom Pain wrote:
My reply seems to have got lost in the post but in answer to your last question; my real name is Rex Gammon, I'm 89, have all my own teeth and a lively appreciation for the opposite sex.
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On Fri 29 Mar at 8:30pm Matt wrote:
I do not have a car and I never have. Living in Lewes (and blessedly relatively healthy and able) I'm well served by my legs and by buses and occasionally adequately served by trains and so far I've survived. As have my partner and child, neither of whom drive. Driving seems cool though, if you are into that sort of thing.


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