On Mon 4 May at 6:20pm Mark wrote:
There's talk of loosening the lockdown regulations! With 4000 casea now. How can this even be considered when we don't have herd immunity and the lockdown down stragey hasn't had time to eradicate it. Supposed to happen in May. Surely, you either take one route or the other. You don't mess around in the middle ground.
On Mon 4 May at 7:47pm Sleeveless wrote:
Matt Hancock’s words today “ New cases need to fall further for the government to consider policy changes”.
On Mon 4 May at 11:11pm Tom Pain wrote:
Hey Mark, why don't you go off to the outer Hebrides you'd be safe there, you could tune in to the BBC and watch Jim 'll fix it re runs and believe everything you're told by the most trusted broadcaster in the world.
On Tue 5 May at 7:17am Sleeveless wrote:
I’m sure I heard Professor Sarah Gilbert say the virus will never be eradicated hence the need for a vaccine that, if developed, may become an annual jab. The general message is that everyone has to accept a new world where social distancing is the norm. The R Value is the key!
On Tue 5 May at 11:38am Tom Pain wrote:
Perhaps herd immunity is the answer,it sounds preferable to yearly jabs and the concomitant dependence on the pharmaceutical industry which already has an overwhelming influence on the WHO and the medical profession in general.
On Tue 5 May at 11:59am A Person wrote:
Herd immunity is achieved by jabs. Doh.
On Tue 5 May at 1:14pm Tom Pain wrote:
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, person. Quite understandable in this state of confusion but herd immunity is the natural reaction to disease. It has nothing to do with pharmaceutical prophylactic intervention.
On Tue 5 May at 5:15pm A Person wrote:
Nope. Nonsense: sorry Tom.
Herd immunity is pretty much by definition achieved by making 80% or thereabouts of a population immune, and that is in the vast majority of cases achieved by vaccination of the population. Have a little look online and you'll see, but to save you the trouble here's a linky-link.
Check it out here »
On Tue 5 May at 10:37pm Tom Pain wrote:
The term herd immunity came from a time when it was naturally caused. The proliferation of vaccinations came well after I was a child,(so did the rise in autism, coincidentally)so I wasn't aware of it. It seems you're right, it's a total surprise to me. I suppose you'll go ahead and get one, I won't. I've never had a flu jab, I had flu a couple of times before they started doing it and it was very unpleasant but I'm still here. It's of no consequence to me now, but Gates has been caught adding sterilising agents to his third world inoculations, if you're of an age where that might be important to you , you might bear that in mind. Doh.
On Wed 6 May at 7:45am Mark wrote:
You have to persist a bit, A Person, when Tom is talking complete tosh. After a while he gives up. He was on about the ridiculous Bill Gates fake news story last week as well.
On Wed 6 May at 8:47am Mark wrote:
And Autism was identified at round about the same time as helicopters were being developed. However, helicopters do not cause Autism.
On Wed 6 May at 10:16am A Person wrote:
Two facts: Smallpox was a killer for millennia: nearly did for QE1 actually. Then Edward Jenner noticed that milkmaids appeared to be immune, and he made the link between a mild disease called cowpox (which many had had) and immunity against the much deadlier smallpox. He inoculated his servant's son and then infected the child with live smallpox. The child was immune. (Interesting linguistic factoid: the word vaccine is derived from the Latin for cow in honour of this great scientific insight). Smallpox was eradicated by vaccination in the 1970s. Hurrah!
Polio was very nearly eradicated in the same way, but because people persist in believing really silly conspiracy theories children are still dying (and the teams attempting to immunise those communities are being killed because they're suspected of being complicit in something or other).
So while it may seem harmless for you to believe utter tosh, spreading conspiracy nonsense kills.
On Wed 6 May at 10:20am Sleeveless wrote:
And for those who like facts, here is another fact. “Unlike vaccination, herd immunity does not give a high level of individual protection, and so it is not a good alternative to getting vaccinated.”
On Wed 6 May at 10:41am A Person wrote:
No: that's important Sleeveless. Herd immunity protects those who are unable to receive immunisation in whatever form - often that's people (including a lot of children) who are immune-suppressed or have too many other health problems. Healthy individuals who are immunised confer protection on others who aren't. It's why the idiots (sorry) who won't give their kids MMR vaccine are likely to kill other people's kids.
Autism: autism has only been described as a condition fairly recently (75 years ago) but there's plenty of evidence that it has existed in the population for centuries. The distinguishing features become apparent at the same time as the MMR is given, so gullible people made a connection.
It's not caused by helicopters either. Or by the USA entering the war (which was when it was described by a Baltimore physician)
On Wed 6 May at 12:34pm Tom Pain wrote:
I'd like to know where I've suggested that a conspiracy is going on. I'm questioning assumptions, nothing more. Did I suggest that the smallpox vaccine was bad? I can't see it in my post. I didn't mention helicopters but suddenly they are hovering overhead. Did I mention the NHS workers who got narcolepsy from the incompletely tested swine flu jabs in 2009, perhaps I should have. To suggest that I'm saying all vaccinations are bad is hysterical over reaction and I wonder why it's happening. Some are good ,some are bad. Is it an insane conspiracy theory to say that?
On Wed 6 May at 1:11pm Sleeveless wrote:
I do have to smile when I see how some people cant separate fact from fiction. Like the person on the Isle of Wight who was against the tracking app because she didn't want to be given Coronavirus.
On Wed 6 May at 2:25pm A Person wrote:
Your juxtaposition of "autism" with any discussion of vaccination and herd immunity suggests a very definite association.
And "Gates has been caught adding sterilising agents to his third world inoculations," is a whole symphony of conspiracy theories...
On Wed 6 May at 10:48pm Tom Pain wrote:
The association is in your mind person not mine and the symphony doesn't sound like one I'd like to hear. If other people have some of the same ideas as me it's nothing to do with me and if they don't,well they don't. Lockstep is the word for now and the future, it's in the Rockefeller foundation plan for the future, you'll love it, (and no schmuckmeister, I don't think they're aliens or even related to you) no one will be left behind ho ho, but I've got other ideas.