On 29 Oct 2014 at 8:34am Sword of Truth wrote:
I recently posted a decimation of the Brighton Green Party`s tenure which was written off by some as coming form the right leaning Speccie.
I am pleased to be able to show you that the universal contempt for this world class screw up of a council can also be read in the New Statesman to whose( Labour ) writer, they are disgrace to radicalism.
" You just have to look at my home city, Brighton and Hove, where the Green Party run the council, to see what an unrealistic agenda looks like. Indeed, they have given radicalism a bad name, with unwanted gesture politics and unattainable promises.
Elected on a “No Cuts, No Privatisation” ticket, they’ve delivered cuts totalling 50 per cent with greater private sector involvement than when the Tories were in charge. Recycling rates have not only decreased but are now less reliable than at any point I can remember. They said they would build 1,000 new affordable homes but have not even reached a third of that. Their blinkered approach to education has seen temporary classrooms built on primary school playing fields, and a failure to invest in a new secondary school that will see the city run out of places in three years’ time "
So if anyone was thinking of voting Green.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 8:39am Mavis wrote:
Was there ever any good news involving The Green Party?
On 29 Oct 2014 at 9:41am Mark wrote:
I'll agree to a certain extent but I would want to point out that that's just a microcosm of stuff that's been going on all over the country for 35 years - since the introduction of the Poll Tax.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 11:03am Pedant wrote:
Sword of Truth wrote: 'I recently posted a decimation of the Brighton Green Party`s tenure'.
I'm sure you're right about the Greens' uselessness but decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth", a Roman military punishment. Can you explain what you mean?
On 29 Oct 2014 at 11:04am Bored wrote:
I think this is a Forum but it seems to be turning into a blog
On 29 Oct 2014 at 11:10am Mark wrote:
Sword of Truth is utterly odious, annoying, irritating, obnoxious and totally wrong-minded but he's certainly well-educated. I think that is actually good usage of the word "decimation".
On 29 Oct 2014 at 11:38am Fred wrote:
Very interesting poster is Sword of Truth and usually able to state his case in a reasonable manner.
Mark is a perfect example of the exact opposite - superior, sneery and patronising to name but a fraction of his faults.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 11:44am Old Bloke wrote:
Mark is exceedingly clever he knows everything and anyone that disagrees will be called names.
That's Mark for you.
Blandly irritating but trivial and comparable to a low itch gnat bite
On 29 Oct 2014 at 12:24pm Earl of De Montfort wrote:
That New Statesman article is a load of guff. It completely fails to consider the cuts and squeezes put on the The Greens in Brighton by the Tories in power. I'm not saying they are perfect in any way but there is always two sides to every story.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 12:41pm Still Bored wrote:
it is as if someone is answering their own posts
On 29 Oct 2014 at 12:47pm Pedant wrote:
Mark wrote: 'I think that is actually good usage of the word "decimation".'
Mark, will you explain how Sword of Truth took out and destroyed a tenth of the Green party's 'tenure' in Brighton? Which is what he would have had to do if he decimated it.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 12:58pm xplorer1 wrote:
I'm with Mark on the current usage of 'decimation', which now expresses more "by a factor of 10" than "by a tenth". Language moves on. Look at 'fulsome': now used to mean "full" or "generous", rather than its original meaning of "foul smelling". I could go on, but I don't want to be branded a blogger.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 12:59pm Mark wrote:
Pedant: The word "Decimate" has its origins in Latin as you suggest and Roman legions could be decimated for cowardice...etc... but usage of the word has evolved. In modern usage it could mean the same thing as "damage". Jeepers... everyone around me is just SO jejune.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 1:01pm little green man wrote:
The Greens campaign at the last Council election was based on a promise not to cut services. This has only been deliverable if Council Tax was increased above the limits laid down by the coalition government. But that needs a local referendum, which the Greens can't achieve without the support of either the Labour Group or the Tory Group on the Council. And neither Group has been prepared to co-operate. So it's not the case that the Greens have "broken a promise". It's simply a fact that the promise has been unachievable.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 1:14pm Sword Of Truth wrote:
Pedant - I am aware of the derivation decimate, the clue is in the dec. Its modern usage however is simply to destroy a large proportion of something.
I`m rather keen on etymology actually. I like the word commuter which was originally applied to people who could commute(ot change...as in mutare ) their tickets form train to bus in the US.
The word key has a lovely history. Quite early on it was used in a metaphorical sense derived form the key-stone of the arch. When we speak of a key personnel or key issues we are speaking of the ones without which the structure will collapse as these meanings all come form Key stone not "key".
Horrible when a sharp image becomes degraded into bureaucrat speak isn't it "key stage one" is now revealed as an oxymoron.
Oh I think someone has taken Mark more seriously than he intended , he seems nice fellow to me.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 1:18pm Mavis wrote:
Which just proves promises are made that just cannot be delivered. ie : Cameron EU referendum !!
It's done all the time, and that's why people have lost faith in MPs, Councillors et al.
Russell Brand appears a bit looney, but what he says is what everyone is thinking. We are in changing times.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 2:19pm stevet wrote:
More biased bad press considering that article is written by Steve Bassam, a Labour peer from Brighton.
The Spectator article is full of inaccuracies which is hardly surprising when the author admits in the first sentence that he has “just moved” to Brighton. His criticism of the i360 is architectural – strange blaming that on the Greens when it is was universally approved at Planning Committee in 2006. All the recent criticism was on the funding arrangements but then the author would be unaware of this as he wasn’t living in the city. I also wonder how much of Brighton the author has visited when he states that it is “totally out of place in a town where the buildings are no more than three storeys high”. I’m looking out of my office window in Hove now and every building is at least 4 stories high. Things like that destroyed its credibility in my eyes.
On the whole the Greens have done a decent job in very difficult circumstances with unprecedented cuts.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 3:29pm Sprout wrote:
What poorly written and innacurate article, but interesting to see that the Greens are rattling the cages of both Labour and the Tories now.
The Greens in Brighton have been very brave, tackling work practice's that all the previous administrations were too scared to address. Their attempts to reduce the choking quantities of private transport in the city are laudable too.
The Greens are the only party to offer a decent alternative to the middling dross espoused by Labour, The Tories and UKIP.
Has anyone tried www.voteforpolicies.org.uk recently? You might surprise yourself.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 4:37pm loony wrote:
wondered when Russell Brands name might pop up
On 29 Oct 2014 at 4:43pm john wrote:
Whatever happened to the Greens in Lewes.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 4:59pm Historian wrote:
we don't have Greens, we have Greys !!
On 29 Oct 2014 at 6:21pm Sword of Truth wrote:
Go on then Sprout, lets try some polciies
1 What do the Greens intend to do about the deficit ?
2 What are their policies on immigration
3 What are their views on NATO and the continued Nuclear deterrent
The first two are the top concerns of the people and the third we may take to be what they would do with ( god forbid ) their hands on the other great office of state so I think thats fair
Off you go and I`d like references because I have not found it easy to find out what the Greens would actually do about anything .
On 29 Oct 2014 at 7:15pm john wrote:
In Lewes I have found the local Green's stand on St Anne's indefensible: no notion of poverty and what it is like to have no access to affordable housing in your home town. The Greens seem to have formed strange spiritual alliances in Lewes; the party here has a flavour all its own. it smacks of a kind of middle class elitism, a patronising attitude - allied with a sense of entitlement. Nothing like the rigour of real Greens. It has become a disaster for the so essential Green message.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 7:33pm Te Deum wrote:
Huh? What stance do the Greens have on St Anne's? Are you perhaps confusing chairing a group with deciding policy?
On 29 Oct 2014 at 7:37pm Sprout wrote:
Paul. Can you find policies for the issues you mention for any but the major parties (omitting UKIP on Europe for obvious reasons)?
On 29 Oct 2014 at 8:54pm Sword of Truth wrote:
Sprout - No names please. Yes the Liberal Party have a full penciled manifesto and so do UKIP, I have a pretty good idea of UKIP`s policies (or policy directions ) ,just from listening to any questions.
On 29 Oct 2014 at 9:09pm Sprout wrote:
Huh? UKIPs manifesto changes with the wind, and each representative gives us a different story anyway. The Lib Dems are a mature establishment party. Any other comparisons?
I'm not calling you names Paul.
On 30 Oct 2014 at 12:50am Voter wrote:
so UKIP's policies (apart from the EU and immigration ones) are....?
On 30 Oct 2014 at 2:10pm Tired legs wrote:
Privatisation of the health service (Donna Edmunds' contribution... although she has been told to shut up for now).
Pro fossil fuels, anti renewables
Ummm... that's about it.
Presumably being a financial whizz kid Farage will look after his mates in the city first; so more liberalisation of the financial markets (and an even greater transfer of wealth from the tax payer/state to the banks/financial institutions), low taxes for the higher paid, more and easier ways to avoid tax for the wealthy, no inheritance tax etc... i.e. all the stuff the Tories would love to do if they were brave enough.
On 30 Oct 2014 at 4:04pm Voter wrote:
so none the, apart from an idea from a woman who is supposed to represent people, but is so bad at it, even her own party has shut her down..
maybe some of our politicians could keep pointing this out. they might then gain a bit of the respect back.
On 30 Oct 2014 at 5:27pm Curate.... re: Te Deum. wrote:
How kind of you to post as a Devotional Prayer - Bless you . I can`t imagine you were trying to pun tedium ,were you ? This is truly a lively and interesting forum
On 30 Oct 2014 at 11:49pm Especially needed wrote:
Where did you study Latin Mr Newman? And why do you still have issues getting your full stops and spaces the right way round?
On 12 Nov 2014 at 5:51pm Alfie Stirling wrote:
Given that you are someone who clearly cares about poverty and rising housing costs in Lewes, I was very sorry to read your comment. Certainly it doesn't describe the Lewes District Green Party that I recognise.
If you wanted to contact me directly about the issue I would be very keen to listen to your concerns: firstname.lastname@example.org