On 16 Mar 2012 at 4:34pm Southover Queen wrote:
Doing 30mph along The Course at 3pm in the immediate vicinity of two primary schools is already lunacy. Going so fast without any regard for traffic turning left out of Cleve Terrace* and then screaming abuse at me rather than watching where you're going is even more idiotic.
You were driving a white W reg Beemer and you screeched to a halt at the foot of the flats by St Pancras Stores.
You're a silly idiot and I really hope you manage to get through life without killing someone. It will be a matter of pure luck if you do, or because you've been taken off the road after trying that on with a copper.
*Cleve Terrace - like most of the roads round here - is narrow and you can't see what's on The Course without pulling up very close to the junction. I'd also invite you to consider that there are no road markings so actually as far as I can see no-one can claim right of way in any case.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 5:13pm Vampire Buffet Slayer wrote:
"Message to idiot BMW driver".... isn't that ALL of them?
On 16 Mar 2012 at 5:51pm Southover Queen wrote:
No, this one was special. And he will kill someone, probably a small child.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 6:09pm Mercian wrote:
There are some bloody awful drivers in Lewes. You know, the ones who drive aggressively round town at top speed, the ones who overtake cyclists with an inch to spare, the ones who think driving on the pavement is acceptable.
God knows what it will be like in twenty years time if car numbers continue increasing.
We need serious action on traffic. Not that we will get any of course.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 7:12pm The other side wrote:
And the legal speed limit on that road is? It does make one wonder why he felt the need to scream abuse at you? Perhaps as you had the temerity to complain at his 100% legal activity?
Always two sides (not on this forum!)
On 16 Mar 2012 at 7:30pm Southover Queen wrote:
Excuse me: I couldn't give a stuff about the "legal speed limit", which has nothing whatsoever to do with a safe speed. The obligation on a driver is to drive at a speed which is safe. If that guy had hit someone or something because of excessive speed he would be in the wrong; no question. Here's the quote from Direct.gov:
"Many accidents happen when drivers are within the speed limit but driving too fast for the road conditions on the road. Use your judgement and know when to slow down. "
So when you're on a road with parked cars down one side, a blind junction, a pavement on one side only and two schools just letting out so there are parents with toddlers and prams and excited kids everywhere, you think 30mph is an appropriate speed do you? If so you just as much an idiot as he is.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 7:40pm Old Man wrote:
SQ - when you were turning left out of Cleve Terrace, which direction did the BMW approach from?
On 16 Mar 2012 at 7:57pm Southover Queen wrote:
From the right, so he'd come down Potters Lane, past the two schools and into The Course. There was a vehicle parked close to the corner, which reduced the already poor visibility.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 8:14pm Decent Citizen wrote:
I agree,sheer lunacy to drive fast in that area. I know it well.The very fact it is so narrow should be indication enough to drive with caution.Thank God this time nobody was hurt but,next time? Any, or part of licence number?
On 16 Mar 2012 at 8:30pm Rookie wrote:
It's not just Lewes Mercian! I see dreadful driving on a daily basis. Only today I was driving up the slope out of Brighton Marina on the right hand lane as you have to for the first bit if coming out of Asda. I was probably 2 seconds too slow getting across to the left lane for the middle aged male VW driver behind me who was shouting abuse and gesticulating wildly at me as he sped past. A choice hand signal back from me infuriated him even more as he tore under the bridge easily doing 50. it was all in vain as he got stuck at the traffic lights and I sailed past him with a wide smile
On 16 Mar 2012 at 8:33pm Southover Queen wrote:
A white BMW, old shape, W reg. He was driving so fast that all only caught a glimpse of his rear as he hurtled out on to St Pancras Road.
One other thing "the other side": I didn't "complain". I slammed on the brakes - he was screaming abuse at me because I had the temerity to be on the road at all.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 8:40pm Decent Citizen wrote:
There is a clear sign on left hand side of Potters Lane stating school with picture of children. When you get to the bottom to turn left ,there is a give way sign.Anyone concentrating on driving would see these and slow down as you then meet a flint wall on your left, with very narrow pavement on the right. It is very clear to see the opening on the left from which traffic emerges.If his excuse was he saw none of this,he should not be driving! No excuses,lack of concentration.A few minutes later the road would have been full of children leaving the school.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 8:55pm Southover Queen wrote:
Thank you Decent Citizen. We agree.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 10:32pm Old Man wrote:
SQ - by my reckoning, it was you in the wrong on two counts. Where there is an unmarked junction you generally give way to the right. Secondly, traffic on a minor road should give way to the major road.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 10:52pm Castle Gate wrote:
No-one should be driving at 30mph on Lewes's roads which are speckled with countless blind junctions and crowded areas. Any driver who has undergone advanced training knows that one must be constantly and calmly aware of other drivers who may not have the same field of view as one's self. As for speed, no doubt surrounds the notion that 20 is plenty in this town. When I was five years old, I witnessed a younger girl being knocked down and killed after she stepped onto a road between two parked cars. The marked speed limit was 30mph: far too fast. Slower motorised traffic in our town, and better driver testing and education all round, gives all our children, and the rest of us, a greater chance of survival. It is the most we can hope for without the wholesale removal of driver-controlled private motor transport.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 11:01pm Old Man wrote:
Also SQ, how do you know it was doing 30mph.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 11:40pm Southover Queen wrote:
Right. Read my OP and further explanations carefully. I shall try again because this is actually important.
I was not in his way. I did not cause him to swerve or even slow down because I did not encroach onto the junction. I clearly gave him a fright because I was moving towards the junction and he was going so fast that there was absolutely no chance of his stopping in time had I not come to a safe halt. That's because I was moving cautiously and completely able to stop safely without advancing into his path. I had given way - not because it was his legal right of way but because it was the sensible thing to do. So quite how you arrive at the conclusion that this was in any way my fault is beyond me. How would you like me to have behaved exactly?
Secondly the notion that The Course is the major road and Cleve Terrace the minor one is ludicrous. They're both little more than lanes. No-one in their right mind drives in these little back streets with the mindset "I have right of way and I'll go as fast as I like", although quite a few do. Have you ever tried exiting St Pancras Road onto Southover High Street, for instance? Have you noticed that you need to pull most of the way out before you can even see if traffic is approaching? There are junctions like that all over town, and The Course and Cleve Terrace is one of them.
Thirdly, how do I know how fast he was going? I don't. I would be very surprised if he was going much slower than 30 and he was certainly going well in excess of 20. In any case it's of absolutely no consequence what speed he was travelling at if the speed was faster than the prevailing conditions dictate, which he certainly was. Any child that had run out into his path would certainly have been killed or seriously injured. On that road and particularly at that time of day, there is every likelihood of that happening.
So now that we've established that I did indeed give way, had not encroached on the junction at all and had not provoked the abuse directed at me, what do you reckon?
I'll tell you what I reckon. If a (grand)child of yours had wandered into his path and been killed you'd be demanding that he be strung up. As I said earlier on in this thread, that is what very well might happen because this chap's an idiot and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
On 16 Mar 2012 at 11:47pm DrDumpling wrote:
Lewes specialises in bad driving. And if you follow the cars, the people live right on your street or the one next to it. It is not people passing through. So I guess there is no choice but to avoid the streets or take them back by playing football, skating, biking, blocking. It could easily change but I expect when push comes to shove we would find more people in Lewes who don't care than those who do.... Including the woman in the small white car who zooms up and down the avenue....
On 17 Mar 2012 at 7:47am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I'm not convinced that Lewes is any worse than anywhere else, tbh, but it does have more than its share of narrow roads, junctions with poor visibility etc.
I encountered the ghost of Sterling Moss in Prince Edwards Road last week, driving at well over the speed limit despite the fact that you have to tack along there as you zig zag round the parked cars. I stopped oppositte a gap, and he chose to screech to a halt a few feet from my bumper and gesticulate for me pull over to the wrong side of the road to save him the troulbe of turning his wheels. When I declined, he gave me the Nescafe gesture. I smiled sweetly and blew him a kiss.
Yesterday I met a driver going the wrong way round Nevill Crescent. And approx 30% of the cars I saw driving back from Surrey yesterday morning had no lights on, despite visibility being down to about 100 yards in places.
Bad driving is so common now, I'm surprised we don't see far more accidents. Use of indicators is getting positively rare.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 8:49am Vampire Buffet Slayer wrote:
Lewes is the worst for roundabout discipline,that's for sure,particularly at the Tesco/Phoenix and Brooks Road roundabouts. Why can't drivers INDICATE for flip's sake?
On 17 Mar 2012 at 8:57am DFL wrote:
Whoa, let's keep calm folks. It's all about due care and attention, and as far as the Health & Safety Laws are concerned, you are guilty until proven innocent (not a lot of people know that). So let's slow down everyone....
On 17 Mar 2012 at 8:59am Myself wrote:
Modern cars don't come with indicators, they come with lazy, selfish, ignorant drivers in their place
On 17 Mar 2012 at 10:18am Mercian wrote:
Bus drivers are real hooligans in this town, as well. They drive around the Nevill as if it's a grand prix circuit - a particular concern given the numbers of small children on the estate.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 10:44am Earl of Lewes wrote:
The thing that I don't get is those parents who pick their kids up at Wallands (in spite of the fact that they often live less than 10 minutes walk away) and then bomb down Gundreda Road as if they've just robbed a bank. If I ever have to pick mine up by car, I creep along that road at 15, terrified that a child's going to stray into the road.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 1:25pm drone wrote:
Following EOL`s point, I get annoyed by parents who park right across the pavement & onto the grass verge in Barn Road when picking up their kids from South Malling School. Do PCSOs have any rights at all to enforce traffic regulations? If not, can we please have a real police officer on duty there from 3.00.p.m. on school days.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 2:35pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
If I haven't left the house well before Wallands dropping off time, I have another cuppa and wait till afterwards. They leave their brains behind imo. Many drivers seem to think that the wide bellmouth of Highdown Road is there purely to facilitate u-turns by Wallands parents and that double parking is perfectly acceptable.
All normal road safety behaviour is cancelled for that 30 mins or so. Not only is there an almost total absence of indication, drivers going up Highdown add to the fun by staying resolutely in the middle of the carriageway at the give way lines so you can't even have an informed guess as to which way they might be going. You have to wait for the airheads to go as they don't leave room for another lane of cars beside them. Stopping right by the pedestrian lights is common, too.
Best of all are the ones who stop in the middle of the road to chat to other parents, totally oblivious to the fact that they're blocking the traffic.
That's not a just a Lewes thing either. A friend lives near a minor public school in Surrey and his road is used as a rat run at school times. They fly round a blind bend on the wrong side of the road in their Chelsea tractors and giving way seems to be against their religion. They swing across the road to get into the rat run without any warning or checking of mirrors, and oen of them knocked a guy off his bike last term. It was only the geography teacher though, so it didn't matter.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 6:10pm bastian wrote:
does potters lane and st pancras rd have speed bumps, because that means it is 20mph, not 30.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 6:27pm Southover Queen wrote:
St Pancras Road has a couple of rather half hearted bumps (although frankly it's hard to tell the difference between bumps and just uneven road surface). Grange Road does indeed have bumps, but presumably nobody thought that anyone except a madman would speed on Potters Land and The Course so no, no bumps.
On 17 Mar 2012 at 11:49pm Dave wrote:
The WHOLE area has a 20mph limit, including Southover High St.
On 18 Mar 2012 at 9:47am For Goodness Sake wrote:
STOP being such a drama queen
On 19 Mar 2012 at 5:52pm licker wrote:
most bmw drivers are pigs end of
On 20 Mar 2012 at 9:29am BMWDriver wrote:
I'd like to say that it was probably me in that car, my actions were irresponsible and possibly dangerous to younger children. I was having a bad morning and I let it get to my driving which was very immature of me.
Sorry if I caused you any issues SQ, and I hope you have a great week.
On 20 Mar 2012 at 2:35pm Southover Queen wrote:
Thank you, BMWDriver. You didn't really "cause me any issues", but you did give me a fright! Thanks for the apology: it's very much appreciated.
On 20 Mar 2012 at 6:48pm realBMWdriver wrote:
Hey, it wasn't her, it was me! False confessions are not welcome here...
Check it out here »
On 20 Mar 2012 at 8:15pm Old lag wrote:
do you think licker is jealous because he can't afford a BMW?
On 21 Mar 2012 at 2:30pm genuinebmw driver wrote:
Liars it was me!!!!!and if sq was really concentrating and having due care blah blah she would know that!!!unbelievable!!!