On 2 Oct 2018 at 8:33am Blatantly Lying wrote:
I am confused, I always thought it was a good thing if people from the EU are prepared to come to the UK and do the low skilled/low paying jobs that none of the English want.
I always saw it that they earn a pittance but that if they save half the pittance, when they go home they actually have a significant pot of cash to take with them.
Reading May's new planned immigration strategy means none of these workers will be allowed into the UK, only very skilled highly paid workers. If you're English and are highly skilled, I'm pretty sure you don't want to compete with workers from all around the world for jobs.
1 million+ low paid jobs available at the moment (that can't be filled), where is the logic in this strategy...
On 2 Oct 2018 at 9:03am A field wrote:
It's almost as if May is making as big a hash of brexit as possible to punish those who voted leave.
I hope Boris takes over soon and sorts it all out.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 9:12am My town wrote:
The Labour Party. Are the ones to blame. By opening the doors to all of the world. Now look we have voted to leave the e u. Well done to the Labour Party.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 9:15am ? wrote:
Is this an idiots only thread?
On 2 Oct 2018 at 9:34am tories gonna tory wrote:
fewer forriners and the chance to recreate serfdom. win win
On 2 Oct 2018 at 11:26am Border Control wrote:
We have our own low skilled/low pay work force available of our own, but they all prefer benefits. It saves actually going to work.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 11:59am ggggggg wrote:
stop the benifit system to foreiners see how many dont come over then
On 2 Oct 2018 at 12:02pm hhhhhhhh wrote:
Stop the benefits system for gammon, see how many keep voting Tory then
On 2 Oct 2018 at 12:10pm Mark wrote:
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On 2 Oct 2018 at 12:14pm ROGER wrote:
mark is 3rd from left
On 2 Oct 2018 at 12:56pm Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
To be honest it could be the kick up the arse this country needs.
Those competing for highly paid skilled work will be in exactly the same position as they are currently.
The lack of low/unskilled labour will give us the chance to force those that don't want to work back into the labour market. If you are not working, low/unskilled, capable of work and on benefits then you should be forced to take up a job when something becomes available. Refuse and you get benefits cut, don't take the job seriously and get fired - benefit s cut.
Time to get the feckless indigenous simpletons back on the treadmill.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 12:59pm @border control wrote:
We cannot be a low wage economy as living costs are too high. You should see the sacrifices people make to make ends meet on minimum wage. If this is the future you want for UK that's a shame.
We are an advanced country by most measures and should be finding ways to progress. If we want people from UK to do low skill jobs we should increase the minimum wage so they can live of it don't you think?
@ggg we already have the ability to do that. Other EU countries enforce this by making people register with job centres etc and keep an eye on if they have a job or are looking for work etc. The real question is why in 6 years as home secretary Theresa May didn't do anything about it?
On 2 Oct 2018 at 1:03pm Just sayin wrote:
It's the benefits system that has allowed the stupid and worthless to not only survive, but to multiply and spread.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 1:06pm @Stan wrote:
So basically what has happened since 2010 then (hence the reason unemployment is at an all time low)?
There's more unskilled unfilled jobs than there are unemployed, who is going to fill the remaining roles?
On 2 Oct 2018 at 1:14pm Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
@@BorderControl,
If people are unskilled and in unskilled work they get enough to live on. They won't be able to afford luxuries but then that's kind of the point. It's not like they take work home with them so could easily spend the evenings bettering themselves.
@@Stan,
When the unskilled indigenous workforce is at max capacity then you introduce laxer immigration rules for the unskilled. The point is that benefits should be a safety net not a lifestyle choice.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 3:33pm busby wrote:
My kids finding a problem getting somewhere to live. Lots of overcrowding in housing. We can't house the world wether or not they work.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 3:33pm @Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
That's disingenuous, It's easy to find examples of where working hard in a minimum wage job doesn't pay enough to live off, Lewes area being one.
FYI what you state about benefits being withdrawn is already in place. I think it's odd to incentivise people to work you would choose to threaten them rather than force a company to pay a wage someone can live off (which would reduce the benefits bill for tax payers). Do you not think unlivable wages are part of the problem?
On 2 Oct 2018 at 4:15pm Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
@@Dripping Pan Stan,
I disagree, assuming you work 38 hours per week at minimum wage you are bringing in about £1200 per month. That's enough for someone to live in shared accommodation or a house share in Lewes, eat respectably, clothe themselves and have some surplus for luxuries.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 4:36pm @Border Control wrote:
Whatever has happened to people bettering themselves ? Why stay in a low paid job forever ? Ambition is available to all. Retraining, taking on responsibilities, honing skills. Do the low paid refuse to progress, or take second jobs weekends ?
On 2 Oct 2018 at 4:44pm @Stan wrote:
So £7.83 *38 *52 = 15.5k, less tax and NI lets call it a round 14k.
5.5k for average bedroom rent in Lewes, leaves around £180 a week for bills, transport, food, clothes, etc. It's hardly a wage where they're going to be splashing out on luxuries.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 5:02pm Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
@@Stan,
Add £30 for a share of the bills, £10 for clothes, £20 for transport and £50 for food and it leaves £70 per week to fritter away on non-essential items or 'luxuries' as they are also known.
If transport costs or rent costs are too high where you are then move, that's what I did when I was younger.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 5:04pm @@stan wrote:
Careful with those facts @@stan, might get in the way of peoples anger.
DPS, you may disagree but you're incorrect as we can look at actual costs and see what can be afforded on minimum wage.
Still no comments about whether we should force companies to pay a living wage? Strange that we suggest second jobs (no family time) and other methods while accepting the lowest corporation tax in our history. Further cuts to come too if tories have their way.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 5:13pm Dripping Pan Stan wrote:
@@@stan,
What actual costs are you talking about exactly?
You can get a room in Lewes for £500-600 a month that includes bills.
You can certainly feed yourself for £50 a week.
Transport is obviously a variable cost.
The minimum wage is a living wage. If people want more out of life then they should work for it.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 6:22pm Truth teller wrote:
Intelligent people soon progress beyond minimum wage unless they have health problems or special circumstances. Sadly many people won't get better jobs because they lack ability. It's nobody's fault.
The alternative is robots and that's happening to most traditional low status jobs.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 8:19pm Daniel Fuller-Leigh wrote:
Immigration is wonderful. It enriches our (frankly almost non-existent) culture and fills jobs that the white British are frankly too lazy to do. My Polish plumber for example is lovely. I love my new hometown of Lewes and am grateful for the schools here but I honestly miss the thrill one gets in the city of knowing there are people of such diverse backgrounds around one. Reverse Brexit and let them all come, I say!
On 2 Oct 2018 at 9:07pm @truth teller wrote:
They lack ability ?? Why ? Are they impaired in some way, apart from being thick. Everyone has some qualities which they need to find and nurture in order to survive or enhance their lives, either emotionally or financially. If they decide it's emotional then they have to accept they can't buy things other people maybe take for granted. And second jobs aren't forever, just to get on the secure financial ladder, which the earlier in life you start the better. It's usually ingrained from parents at home, unless the parents are super rich set a poor example. History can explain that one for you. Chips on shoulders everywhere.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 10:32pm @Stan wrote:
I based it on £440 a month, so according to your figures it’s now £140, £20 for transport, for a week, where is this magical transport company?
£50 a week for food, how does that equate to “eat respectably”. Stan you do talk rubbish, try doing it and then let’s see how smug you are.
On 2 Oct 2018 at 11:02pm Clifford wrote:
It's such pleasure to see the capitalists' useful idiots churning out their 'common sense' and 'university of life' garbage as if they imagine it's original thought on their part. Imagine, if they'd been born in the old Soviet Union they'd be saying how wonderful Stalin the Great Leader is.