On Mon 21 Jan at 5:38pm Bert wrote:
The post below is not my post but I think needs sharing.
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK THIS THE DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIMERS..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons, if we escape from control of the EU.
On Mon 21 Jan at 7:10pm Black Sleeves wrote:
On Mon 21 Jan at 7:15pm Arnold wrote:
I think there may be one actual fact in Bert's rubbish - the rest is manure.
On Mon 21 Jan at 8:34pm Mark wrote:
Oh Bert.... Really? Have a little rest in a quiet place.
On Mon 21 Jan at 9:44pm Buzzard wrote:
The Lisbon Treaty entered into force in 2009 so we've been living under it for nearly ten years. This post is not manure - manure is natural and maked plants grow. This is toxic waste designed to cause harm - a kind of verbal novichok. Nice try Ivan - how's the weather in Moscow?
On Mon 21 Jan at 10:02pm Metatron wrote:
Lisbon changes come into effect 2022.
Not quite what Bert says but there is a grain of truth in some of it.
Still won't effect us anyway as that ship sailed and sank.
On Mon 21 Jan at 10:35pm Mark wrote:
But dough... Why would any country sign up to such a looney crazy treaty as Bert has invented. Bonkers Brexeteers.
On Tue 22 Jan at 8:53am bored2 wrote:
@Metatron. SOME changes come into effect. Here's an interesting extract from the treaty with full link if anyone is curious...
1. It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."
Recalling in particular that the United Kingdom is entitled under the Treaties:
- not to adopt the euro and therefore to keep the British pound sterling as its currency (Protocol No 15),
- not to participate in the Schengen acquis (Protocol No 19),
- to exercise border controls on persons, and therefore not to participate in the Schengen area as regards internal and external borders (Protocol No 20),
- to choose whether or not to participate in measures in the area of freedom, security and justice (Protocol No 21),
- to cease to apply as from 1 December 2014 a large majority of Union acts and provisions in the field of police cooperation and judicial cooperation in criminal matters adopted before the entry into force of the Lisbon Treaty while choosing to continue to participate in 35 of them (Article 10(4) and (5) of Protocol No 36),
"Recalling also that the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union has not extended the ability of the Court of Justice of the European Union or any court or tribunal of the United Kingdom to rule on the consistency of the laws and practices of the United Kingdom with the fundamental rights that it reaffirms (Protocol No 30),"
Apologies for wall of text but it's a counterpoint to Berts guff.
Check it out here »
On Tue 22 Jan at 9:42am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Thank you, Bored2, for posting some truth to counter Bert's
The lies about the EU peddled by Brexiteers are absurd, and I'm amazed so many people fall for them.
On Tue 22 Jan at 11:11am Metatron wrote:
Mark it took Ireland twice to sign up to it!
On Tue 22 Jan at 12:19pm Bert wrote:
Thanks everyone, it's so reassuring getting the truth from you all !
On Tue 22 Jan at 1:06pm Mark wrote:
I know Metatron. Clifford has told his version of the history of the Lisbon Treaty about 6000 times now.