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Lewes constituency goes Ukip

On 4 May 2013 at 11:53pm Paul wrote:
Ukip 6476 22.7%
Con 6412 22.5%
Ind 6344 22.2%
LibDem 5568 19.5%
Labour 2005 7.0%
Green 5.8%
There you go...
On 5 May 2013 at 12:54am Zzzz... wrote:
On 5 May 2013 at 7:04am Phfellow2004 wrote:
Paul. Not sure how you can be so precise with your figures. There is at least one County Division spread across 2 Constituencies. Nevertheless the picture which you paint demonstrates that, based on last week's figures, it will be a 4 horse race at the General Election. What fun!
On 5 May 2013 at 7:44am Sussex Jim wrote:
What fun we can have now by lobbying our elected UKIP councillors on subjects other than EU membership and immigration.
On 5 May 2013 at 8:48am Matt Kent wrote:
@sussex Jim. What like....real UKIP local policies?
Who will collaborate with who (Lib/Lab/Indy) v (Tory/UKIP)? You never know, by the end of this new County Council administration more Tories might defect to UKIP and then there'd be more UKIP than LibDem (Still 'Winning Here'?).
Still encouraging that that collectively within all English Counties there are more local Independent Councillors than UKIP.....Such fun.
On 5 May 2013 at 9:26am Sean wrote:
Figures are about right - Lewes with a Ukip mp - would send house prices down I would think?! Remember Lewes town is only about 15% of the misnamed Lewes constituency... Thursday - a bad day for Britain in my view. And Ribble Valley will be a big Ukip victory if there is a by election soon.
On 5 May 2013 at 9:59am Chrome wrote:
"Not sure how you can be so precise with your figures."
You can't, especially with the figures listed in the opening post.
First of all Lewes District Council political boundaries are not the same as the Lewes Constituency. Peacehaven for instance, historically a major Conservative area is now in the Brighton Kemptown constituency. An important distinction as that is the primary reason why LDC is a very tight Con/Lib marginal and the Lewes constituency in the past general elections has not.

Another Factor is in this County election as in 2009 both Lewes and Polegate overwhelmingly voted independent, but come the general election overwhelmingly voted Lib Dem. It's probable that in the next general election that these areas won't vote Lib Dem by the same margin. However 1) both areas do still maintain a strong Lib Dem presence (as recent town council elections indicate) and 2) lost voters in these areas will more likely go to other left wing parties such as the Greens or Labour and certainly not Conservative.
There are a couple of factors that need to be weighed, however looking at the County Council result, you're looking at a just over halved Lib Dem majority.
On 5 May 2013 at 12:09pm Sean wrote:
Paul hasn't included Peacehaven in these figures - just Lewes constituency - yes they might be a few points either way but the weakness of Tory vote here means it is a top target for Ukip in 2015 with a campaign based on Seaford and Newhaven - Lewes town a minority part of the constituency. Independents as likely to vote Ukip as anyone... Maybe Farage will stand as Baker so pro-Europe.
On 5 May 2013 at 1:03pm Chrome wrote:
Even if Peacehaven is not added, the number don't seem quite accurate.
BTW, Independent supporters in Lewes just as likely to support UKIP! i'm not so certain about that.
However, there are many variants so we'll see.
On 5 May 2013 at 2:20pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I think the UKIP support is very much of a mid-term protest thing and not likely to be replicated in a general election.
They'll need to get some decent economic policies before then if they're to stand a chance.
Their success poses a bit of a conundrum for the opposition parties though. They can't really do a hatchet job on them, because lost UKIP support is likely to benefit the Tories. It'll be interesting to see how they play it.
On 5 May 2013 at 3:18pm Southover Queen wrote:
Hmm. I'm not completely sure about UKIP attracting disaffected Tories - I think to a large extent they've replaced the BNP for the sectors of the population who are wound up about immigration. You only had to listen to the vox pops from Boston Lincs to understand that there are communities who fear European migrants coming the UK to "steal our jobs". It's interesting that no-one remembers that actually no-one was prepared to work as fruit and veg pickers and processors before they arrived.

I do however wholeheartedly agree about coherent policies. At the moment nothing seems to join up or make any kind of sense, either as a strategy for running the nation or indeed running our local services.
On 5 May 2013 at 3:52pm I don't live in lewes... wrote:
I think it's wonderful that UKIP did so well in the local elections, even more so for as Matt Kent points out they don't appear to have any real local policies.
It might be that the Lib Dem/ Cons now relook at their "real" policies with some urgency and begin to understand that a significant number of the electorate have voted with their feet and their "real" policies might not be so "real" as we are all made believe but are yet more of the same old wearisome BS that we have become accustomed to digesting.
With an alternative party it might just be enough to evoke positive change.
On 5 May 2013 at 9:43pm Metatron wrote:
People have had enough of been lied to for years, wars, muticulturalism, globalisation, global warming, not global warming,etc,etc,etc.
Uk and Euro MPs with their snouts in the trough, and caught at it.
Crumbs for you, caviar for the ruling class.
Time to turn the whole thing on its head wether you like UKIP or not its now the time to give our rulers a good kicking, its time for change, embrace it or dont moan
when its your turn to take a big bite of the sh*t sandwhich.
On 5 May 2013 at 10:45pm Insomniac wrote:
That's all very well, but I just can't see UKIP being shy about jumping into bed with the business elite, the very scoundrels that corrupt UK politics and forced the country into a depression. (Wasn't Jimmy Goldsmith UKIP?)
Didn't Dave say the defectors are the voters that think Con haven't been doing that hard enough?
On 6 May 2013 at 7:09am jrsussex wrote:
I think it has to be a good thing if the two major parties are shaken out of their complacent little world. That said the pressure is now on UKIP to prove that they are capable of running the UK with responsible Government by telling the electorate who a UKIP cabinet would comprise of in order for us to be able to properly judged if those politicians are capable of doing the job. I may be typical of the people who voted UKIP in that I believe we should leave the EU, must bring a halt to illegal immigration, stop paying money from the UK benefit system to those who land here intending to make their claim immediately, making benefit payments to families of those working/not working here that do not reside in the UK. As mentioned previously I am not a racist, support immigration and the asylum system but am totally against the abuse of that same system.
On 6 May 2013 at 7:23am Clifford wrote:
Southover Queen wrote: 'It's interesting that no-one remembers that actually no-one was prepared to work as fruit and veg pickers and processors before they arrived.'

I'm no UKIP supporter, far from it, but are you saying the crops were rotting in the fields before employers brought in the cheap labour?
On 6 May 2013 at 9:42am Funny facts! wrote:
Ha ha ha the joke is on you! Do you actually know anything about newly voted in UKIP
MP? Not just immigrants who bleed the system is it? Still at least he has finally signed off! Funny thing we are still paying for him! Excellent protest vote! Let's hope it was worth it eh?
On 6 May 2013 at 9:44am Sussex Jim wrote:
You cannot blame the farmers for employing migrant workers who are happy to do the job, rather than our unemployed who would probably only work reluctantly and with attitude.
But the main problem is that we still pay benefits to those unemployed who do not want to work, even when such jobs are available.
Let's get out of Europe, then we are not obliged to allow other EU citizens to work here; and get tougher with dole claimants. As Norman Tebbit said; get on your bikes look further for work.
On 6 May 2013 at 10:07am queequeg wrote:
Southover Queen,
In Lewes there are Romanian carpenters/ builders willing to work (to a high standard it must be said) for £75 a day.
The argument of local businesses is that you cannot compete on a level ground with the legal requirements and overheads that we endure and that they largely ignore. It is plain to see that the huge influx of overseas builders has reduced wages in this sector.
Farm working wages have similarly been held stationary for ten years or more by the influx of cheap labour exploited by gangs because of their illegal status. Witness the cockle bed deaths of illegal Chinese workers.
British workers did not vote for any of this, we want politicians who will listen to this voice without belittling us, who will actually support the working population of this country and not see their main task as providing welfare to the World. We are still a rich country but we wont be for long if they have their way.
On 6 May 2013 at 10:58am Southover Queen wrote:
No I'm not, but I am saying that farmers with seasonal crops had great difficulty finding people who wanted the work, partly because it's short-lived, partly because it's very hard physical labour and partly because it's low paid. There is a completely separate argument about low pay and cheap labour, but that's how capitalism works, isn't it? Let's put up the NMW to something approaching a living wage by all means: I have a hunch that there will always be jobs picking crops!

On 6 May 2013 at 1:18pm Paul wrote:
See first reaction to Ukip is withdrawal of pensions from foreign spouses of uk pensioners living abroad; I'm surprised they haven't called for all pensioners living abroad to have uk pensions taken away - surely that's the logical position of ukip?
On 6 May 2013 at 1:55pm Southover Queen wrote:
This is an example of such ill-thought through bonkersness that even I am quite impressed. Suppose the 150,000 or so expats on the Costa del Sol alone decided to return: how would our medical services cope? What about social services and sheltered housing?

I'd be willing to bet that the net saving for this country of exporting huge numbers of elderly people is vast. Talk about knee-jerk idiocy.
On 6 May 2013 at 7:29pm Boris wrote:
Listening to the 5 live phone in on Friday morning, I was amazed at how many Labour voters had put their cross next to UKIP.
How the heck can you explain that?
The left have got the Greens as their protest vote.
I am now convinced the Tories will say to hell with coalition in the very near future and push to the right.
On 7 May 2013 at 3:02am insomniac wrote:
Its only hard to explain when you think Labour are a left of center party. If you recognise they're not much further to the left than the Tories it makes obvious sense.
On 7 May 2013 at 8:04am broken Britain wrote:
I haven't thought of Labour as left wing since the early 90's. I can't fathom anyone speaking about indies as if they are a party all with the same point of view either and I can't help but wonder if people realise indies too have opinions, some of which may be to the right of UKIP while others will be single issue campaigners without many more local policies than UKIP, and some will be good and some will be bad?
On 7 May 2013 at 8:58pm Nigel Lawson wrote:
The left have only themselves to blame for the rise of UKIP and other right wing parties. Most normal working people want no truck with bs socialism. Alas Cameron has taken the Torries so far from their core values that a void opened and was ruthlessly exploited by Farrage.
The Torries only hope at the next election is to ditch Mr Slippery, elect a conservative and come up with some conservative policies.
And as for sq and her sycophants crying 'they're all fascists', well maybe you better get used to them
On 7 May 2013 at 11:48pm Clifford wrote:
Nigel Lawson - You don't think that the problem for the Tories (that's one R) is that they are so identified with the bankers and City types who screwed us that they couldn't even win a majority against Brown in 2010? Your dream of a right-wing moron leader will only make things worse for the party.
On 8 May 2013 at 10:42am Southover Queen wrote:
Hmmm. Can't spell "tories" but can spell "sycophants". And "fascists", for that matter.

I'm also not sure when it is that I'm supposed to have whipped all my sycophants into a joint cry against fascists (or who these sycophants are for that matter, flattering as it is to be credited with such a following). I wouldn't have aimed it at Cameron or even Farage either, although quite clearly there are some very dodgy characters indeed in UKIP, many of whom actually stood for election last week. What I dearly would like to see is something approaching a coherent political/economic strategy and some grasp of what is going wrong and how to fix it. Let's just say that coherence isn't one of Farage's strong points, and labelling Cameron's approach to lawmaking as "knee jerk" gives a bad name to jerks.

On 8 May 2013 at 2:21pm PLUMPTON LAD wrote:
If you look at just the wards within Lewes constituency, it seems to be:
Con - 5313 (23.9%)
Lib Dem - 4993 (22.47%)
UKIP - 5187 (23.3%)
Labour - 1775 (7.9%)
Green - 1669 (7.5%)
Independent - 3278 (14.75%)
Don't forget 2 County Council seats go over parliamentary constituency boundaries.
On 8 May 2013 at 3:31pm Dear God wrote:
I can't quite decided what your least appealing quality is sq, your 'know all 'attitude, or your patronising belittlment of those that don't share your own drivel. Let me know if I've misspelt anything
On 8 May 2013 at 3:46pm Dan wrote:
Youre all so f boring!
On 8 May 2013 at 6:12pm Southover Queen wrote:
On 8 May 2013 at 7:14pm Victim wrote:
Yes SQ, that's what you've just become, it a completely valid word you thick cow.
On 8 May 2013 at 8:08pm Southover Queen wrote:
Indeed. It was however misspelt.
On 8 May 2013 at 8:32pm Insomniac wrote:
Misspelt SQ, and she doesn't understand it's meaning either, one cannot 'become' belittlement.
"it a completely relevant word" Illiterate moron.
On 9 May 2013 at 1:38pm harold wrote:
@SQ,It is normal in chat rooms and forums to place a '*' after typing a spelling mistakes correction, this shows the reader there is such a mistake and can stop missunderstandings such as the one caused to 'Insomniac'. Ps spot the spelling mistakes
On 9 May 2013 at 1:40pm harold wrote:
Misunderstandings *

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