On 8 Mar 2015 at 10:04am Outintheestates wrote:
What do people think of the idea of a lab/snp coalition
On 8 Mar 2015 at 10:20am Metatron wrote:
Time to look for the exit.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 10:24am Outintheestates wrote:
Totally agree metatron an anti English party running England doesn't bear thinking about
On 8 Mar 2015 at 11:01am Red ken wrote:
It couldn't be any worse than the rogues/cheats/thieves/liars running the country at the moment.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 12:22pm Mark wrote:
I think it would be a step in the right direction.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 12:36pm Border Control wrote:
I still don't know how women got the vote, that's when it all went wrong.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 1:55pm Sword of Truth wrote:
The Conservative Party and Unionist Party was well represented in Scotland after the war and declined with the decline of unionism. Labour inherited its Scottish heartland thereby, and when the decline of Ship Building Coal and Primary Industry created a post-industrial wasteland Labour cemented a corrupting monopoly of power.
Brown was always conscious that if separatism went too far, their new fiefdom would slip entirely from their grasp, not only that, but this process would have implications for Wales and portended the end of Labour in its current form. It was for this reason, bitterly opposed by Conservatives, they pushed through the first devolution settlement in 1998.They wanted to draw the sting out of the SNP whose status was transformed by the discovery of oil.Tam Dayell`s old West Lothian Question from 1977 had acquired an urgent reality.
So Labour’s willingness to privilege the Scots was always a partisan electoral strategy. Whilst devolved powers are currently Health Education local government and environment ( basically ) the fact of the assembly itself is more important creating a working separate state. Scotland was promised virtual fiscal autonomy whilst retaining the advantageous Barnett formula and more Westminster seats pre head than England (often forgotten).They will also have the right to set their own franchise, so it is possible that Scots MPs might be elected by sixteen years old unable to vote in the rest of the UK
In short, we English now have second class votes which are about to be further down graded.
The SNP have been quite open about their pork barrel intentions.Their price for keeping Millband in power would be £180 billion of additional funds from English taxes to Scotland , already a vast drain on the exchequer. That is in addition to pressuring us to lose our nuclear deterrent and setting a Greek style agenda of spending that England has unequivocally rejected.
The most important man in the House of Commons will be Alex Salmon whose constituents will suffer none of the taxes he forces on us to pay for his Scottish spending bonanza.
It is an affront to democracy and , by the way, an appalling betrayal of the many Scottish Labour activists who have had to put up with a modern fascist party spreading lies and are lead by the thoroughly decent Jim Murphy .
There is nothing about Millibands history which should encourage us. Elected as the man prepared to sell out his brother and his friends to the Unions, Browns back room gopher, gifted an easy seat due to his father`s connections, he has struck the nation as a worthless slime ball from the start.
I have long predicted that selling out the English would be nothing to him and thats what he will do.
I shall regard any such government as lacking any shred of legitimacy and not binding on me .I encourage everyone to consider peaceful protest and a campaign of non-cooperation should such a travesty come to pass.
Milliband must rule it out now
On 8 Mar 2015 at 2:28pm Brevity wrote:
SOT, do you recall my mentioning the benefits of brevity....?
On 8 Mar 2015 at 2:52pm Bert Mac English. wrote:
I welcome it.As a progressive Englishman I have more in common with the average Scot than with the Tory toffs and neo cons that run England at the moment
On 8 Mar 2015 at 4:25pm SOT wrote:
Bert M E- No doubt you have more in common with Greek Communists and German Greens as well would you like to give them some seats in Parliament ?
On 8 Mar 2015 at 4:42pm Big man wrote:
vote u k I p only true party left to trust now
On 8 Mar 2015 at 6:09pm Brady wrote:
I welcome it. An anti austerity party and a party under the helm of a man who is at least making the right noises to address a lot of the issues that are important to any decent and conscientious voter. I will give Milliband and Salmond a chance. I think out of all the choices on offer that are feasible for a left wing voter this is the sensible one to go for.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 6:25pm SOT wrote:
Brady the SNP are only anti Scottish austerity , but that will all come out of the English spend, in any case that isn`t the point , you can`t drop the basic precepts of democracy just because you happen to like the result.
You want English people top have second class votes ,... why nto poor people or black people or disabled people then..would that be ok if it happened to suit you ?
I am not ok with that
On 8 Mar 2015 at 6:45pm Outintheestates wrote:
Just watch the traditions of this country whipped out from underneath us ie poppies not allowed in government buildings , not being able to fly out countries flag on any official buildings remind you of anywhere
On 8 Mar 2015 at 7:28pm Pedant wrote:
Though the Scottish education system is renowned and may be able to help you with spelling and punctuation if you give it a chance Outintheestates.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 7:36pm Pedal wrote:
Though I read and read again I think there is a spare word at the start, though I'm not entirely sure
On 8 Mar 2015 at 7:51pm Nowt wrote:
SOT - pleeeease learn to summarise.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 8:36pm Brady wrote:
SOT, My goal in voting would be integrating the British people and getting rid of the London-centric and corporate power hungry mad (sic)monopoly that is enforced on the whole of the country. Westminster were so desperate to keep Scotland in the union they must accept it when a situation arises where Scotland will have a greater say. I would hope you are being cynical in your assessment that they care nothing for England and its voters. The SNP are left wing or at least left leaning and I cannot see that they would not want that for England as well. My hope is that where Scotland is allowed to lead, This I would hope would lead to a massive system of re-nationalisation, raising the tax rate of top earners back to where it had traditionally been for many years and closing tax loopholes so everyone can benefit from the huge wealth that flows through this country and not just the few. That would be a Scott, a Welsh, Irish or Englishman of any creed or colour. I don't see how a coalition is undemocratic. I do not agree with the current coalition and the mayhem they are causing but I cannot call it undemocratic.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 8:45pm Belladonna wrote:
Brady, ignore SOT. He consistently misrepresents broad brush opinion as fact. He talks a load of billhooks
On 8 Mar 2015 at 8:52pm never mind the billhooks wrote:
On 8 Mar 2015 at 10:11pm liberal wrote:
Is this the same belladonna that tries to tell us what to think and then fails to back up her opinions with arguments or facts?
Yes it is.
On 8 Mar 2015 at 10:22pm SOT wrote:
BRADY – You have not quite understood the problem here, it has nothing to do with a coalition. Scotland has a Parliament, you know that right? You know, that the English have no say in its decisions yes? You appreciate that Health education and Local Government are fully devolved to it now and tax raising powers soon will be together with much more… ok?
So you will understand that if Scottish voters express their views on the English Health education and other devolved matters at Westminster they are doing so as a sort of tartan Raj without any democratic mandate or accountability. They can raise taxes in England without their voters having to pay them … specifically they have demanded an additional £180 billion of English tax be re-directed to Scotland as a price of support
Scotland is now a loosely federated foreign country?
Is this making sense ?
Look... suppose you like the cut of Fianna Fáil`s jib .Lets say they had a collectivist agenda set upon reinvigorating socialism and constructing the earthly paradise you may believe would ensue . Fine, wouldn`t you see anything wrong in importing MPs elected by Irish voters to achieve this aim and can you not see that this would make a mockery of English voting rights ?
It has long been summarized as the West Lothian question which I suggest you google
On 9 Mar 2015 at 6:00pm Sussex Jim wrote:
No, Border Control. It is only fair to allow any responsible adult to vote, in a democracy. This includes the working classes (and I mean Working) and pensioners; and even temporary residents of long stay.
But not those who contribute no input to society, or abuse the democratic process.
It used to be only landowners who could vote. While I do not entirely agree with that, it did have its merits.
On 9 Mar 2015 at 7:46pm Sussex Dim. wrote:
Yes and the disabled,non working pensioners,stay at home mothers,left handers.people with a squinty eye,cack handers,the ten percent or more of society with mental health problems and red heads.Why should any of this useless lot get the vote.
On 9 Mar 2015 at 8:01pm Sussex Quim wrote:
On 9 Mar 2015 at 11:59pm Sussex Sim (pleton) wrote:
Agreed, there are many merits to limiting voting rights to the landed gentry. For one thing, the majority of working classes wouldn’t be allowed to vote for the socialist Tory Party and their numbskull communist ideas like selling off council houses. That was their stupidest idea ever, and allowed me to make a real start in my life by preventing anybody else from living in well maintained low rent properties like I had. I’M NOT CONFUSED. Britain has become a Marxist laughing stock since the NeoCons took control and wages stopped staying ahead of inflation. MAUREEN – have you seen my slippers?
God bless the Queen, we should sell the royal family off, they’re a national icon, an asset the whole world adores and foreign corporations would buy up in a flash – especially if we undervalued them like Royal Mail was.
On 10 Mar 2015 at 2:24pm Sussex NIM(BY) wrote: