On 29 Oct 2010 at 1:58pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
Couldn't help noticing the Zulu pioneers of the Lewes Borough BS had black and white faces instead of black at the BONCO competition last week. Is this a result of criticism from the pc brigade?
On 29 Oct 2010 at 4:44pm Clifford wrote:
Odd that on another thread you say, 'Respect works both ways... Not very respectful to take the attitude "sod 'em I'm parking here".' Don't you think what some Daily Mail readers call 'political correctness' others might call 'respect'?
On 29 Oct 2010 at 5:21pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
The fact is Clifford the whole point of the Zulus blacking their faces was in respect for them, not in deference.
On 29 Oct 2010 at 6:26pm Newmania wrote:
I asked Mrs. N who is black, if it was offensive and she said," Nah its a costume silly". Suppose people do get offended though, so what, they`ll live. Aggressive offence taking is used , by some ,to shut down freedom by twisting the benign and vital habit of good manners.The "So what , they`ll live "response is our friend and ally
Clifford for example is always exceedingly rude to me . Somehow I manage to eat my cornflakes with a cheery demeanour despite the terrible wounds his deadly poignard inflicts. Am I unsually brave ?
On 29 Oct 2010 at 7:19pm Clifford wrote:
Yes, I know the British have a lot of respect for the Zulus (and anyone else who put up a brave fight against them), but I'f prefer to see what a Zulu thinks about white people blacking up.
Newmania - of course I'm rude to you but I hope not personally but only as a set of words on this site. I'm sure if we met as people we'd find we got on very well.
On 29 Oct 2010 at 9:08pm Down and Out wrote:
On Flickr I've seen a pic of Zulus from 2006/07 with half white / half black faces, so I'm pretty sure whatever happened this year's not a reaction to DJS.
On 30 Oct 2010 at 8:07am Mr Forks wrote:
Clifford you are the worst kind of pc apologist. Pull yourself together man and put that copy of the Guardian down!
On 30 Oct 2010 at 1:03pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
Only asking the question. Occasionally seen with an odd white stripe, even then they had their detractors. Just seemed strange there were non purely black this year. Shame no-one from Borough come on here.
On 30 Oct 2010 at 2:48pm Clifford wrote:
Mr Forks, what's a PC apologist? Have you ever been out of Lewes/
On 30 Oct 2010 at 4:12pm Petr Byron wrote:
Political Correctness as taken the place of honesty! Think it but don't say it brigade, I say it as it is. Cheers all, Peter
On 30 Oct 2010 at 6:41pm Newmania wrote:
Whilst Clifford is of course just a tame Liberal I wouldn`t like to see wall to wall images of black people as primitive warriors . Its one historical representation amongst many and as such fine by me .
En passant allow me to point out that by far the least racist ethnic group in England are the English so lets not have any Clifford style cultural cringing please
On 30 Oct 2010 at 6:48pm MC wrote:
Clifford's not an unreformed Socialist Worker?
On 31 Oct 2010 at 12:24am Borough Member wrote:
Our glorious Zulus have been using various combinations of black and white make up for many years. The 'half and half' is just one of those. It certainly isn't pandering to the dfl tw@t smith. As 'ere be monsters' says, the costume is about respect as all the societies pioneers are.
Now Clifford, little Clifford, you just can't wait to find a black person that is offended by what we do, can you? You'd certainly need your nappy changing after that. Being offended on behalf of others, now who does that remind me of?
On 31 Oct 2010 at 8:18am recklessderek wrote:
I'm all for PC in the workplace, and in life generally, as Clifford says it's all about respect. But trying to apply it to the Lewes bonfire is like trying to take the sex and drugs out of rock and roll. Health and safety has already taken some of the dark heart out of the event.
On 31 Oct 2010 at 8:36am MC wrote:
> Being offended on behalf of others, now who does that remind me of?
On 31 Oct 2010 at 8:46am 'ere be monsters wrote:
Borough Member, I didn't say you were "pandering to the dfl tw@t smith", I only asked the question. Thank you for answering it, I'm pleased it is not the case. Have a goodun.
On 31 Oct 2010 at 12:13pm Clifford wrote:
It's interesting to see that if you scratch the surface a little out it all comes.
On 1 Nov 2010 at 12:35am The Tooth Fairy wrote:
Is that what happened to you Clifford? You had a little scratch then you came out?