On 2 Aug 2015 at 10:14am Labour member wrote:
It now seems highly likely that Jeremy Corbyn will become leader of the Labour party. I think this is the best thing to happen to democracy in a generation. At last there is a chance to challenge the greed and selfishness of the cartel of the mad and the very bad. The left is growing. From Scotland to the greens and now in its homeland of the Labour party. This is a new movement and it is mobilising.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 11:52am Ned Kelly wrote:
Can"t wait power cuts & 3 day weeks!
On 2 Aug 2015 at 1:48pm Newell Fisher wrote:
Voting Corbyn here. All the more so as he seems to be making the right s**t themselves
On 2 Aug 2015 at 1:49pm Labour member wrote:
I have a dream of a new enlightened socialism to counter the excesses of greed caused by unchecked capitalism. It will probably even be right wing compared to the 80s. A higher rate of tax of 60 pence and re-nationalisation of public utilities so everyone benefits. People forget as well that socialism is about working and so there would be a goal of full employment and a decent living wage. The emphasis would turn from 'me' to 'us' and creating communities where everyone is included. There will be people who have more and those who have less but the way they are taxed will be fairer so someone on a low income will keep more of their income and someone on a higher one will pay a fair amount of tax that will pay for a massive investment in homes, schools and infrastructure so everyone will benefit.
Lets face it, the whole capitalist system is on borrowed time. The trillions of pounds invested in the banking system following the 2008 crash came out of the pockets of the many and is as we speak being put into the pockets of the few while the rest of us suffer crippling austerity. This is not right and people are waking up from their slumber and seeing the truth as it is.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 2:03pm Ben wrote:
Another classic labour balls up unfolding in the shape of Corbyn. He might be a great guy etc etc,but ultimately could he be a PM? Not likely is it? David Milliband was/is their only chance at power.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 2:09pm Clifford wrote:
Ned Kelly - have you forgotten so soon that the 3 day weeks and power cuts happened under a Tory government? The country put Wilson back in to stop them.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 3:04pm Labour member wrote:
Ben, its not about them winning the next general election. They will not win under Corbyn or David Miliband anyway. This is about shifting ideology to the left and a Corbyn led opposition Labour party can do this. Modern politics is becoming dangerously unbalanced and we have Thatcher, Blair and new Labour to thank for that. David Milliband and Liz Kendal as well as Burnham and Cooper will do nothing to redress that and will make matters worse trying to pander to supposed 'middle England' and the right wing media and they still won't win. The British public are sick of ideologically identical career politicians. Cameron is the successor of Blair who was the successor of Thatcher. We need something new.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 5:37pm Grafter wrote:
Some months ago there was glee in conservative/ukip circles when it was suggested they should all join the Labour Party and vote for Corbyn. How many actually paid I don't know but it seems to have worked out for them so far. I don't think they really expected many existing party members to support him but perhaps they hate the other candidates more than the Tories?
The idea that the general public in England is keen to punish "the bankers" is easily rebuffed by watching what people actually do rather than what they say.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 6:41pm Trooper wrote:
It appears from the posts on the forum on this subject that a number of people have stopped taking their tablets.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 8:48pm Labour member wrote:
Sussex Jim. I agree that everyone should work, that is socialism! I can't really see a difference between the system you are proposing and the current one. The welfare state was created to aid people who work and not to support people who don't want to. That would have been unheard of in 45 I believe. I am talking about a fairer distribution of wealth so that everyone can benefit. Not the few but the many. Would you object if your income tax was lowered in proportion to a millionaire having to pay more?
On 2 Aug 2015 at 9:18pm Old Bloke wrote:
Jeremy Corbyn will lead this grotesque parody of a Labour Party to oblivion and the dustbin of history where it belongs
What a shame such a great political movement has become so polluted
On 2 Aug 2015 at 9:30pm Newell Fisher wrote:
Sussex Jim would appear to be a classic example of the Neo-Lumpenproletariat.
On 2 Aug 2015 at 10:17pm Grafter wrote:
In a technologically advanced society the value of low and unskilled labour will continue to decline swelling the ranks of unemployed and unemployable. While there will be more self-employed in niche service industries many of these individuals will be producing marginal revenues. No politician will admit this because it shows their powerlessness.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 2:11am Sussex Dim wrote:
What’s important though, is that if you lose your job, if your job is taken by a computer or a robot or outsourced to India, remember its your fault, you’re a lazy indolent dole scrounger bleeding the rest of us dry, and you should be ashamed of yourself. All those things you can’t afford now: a mortgage, a family, power – you should have thought about that before having them in the first place, why should my taxes go towards your lifestyle choice?
Too many people are not prepared to make an effort to find work, we hate them. We also hate people from abroad who do make an effort to find work, even if that means risking their lives, they’re scroungers too.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 7:17am Zzz.. wrote:
Even for Sussex Jim that last post seems exceptionally bigotted and unintelligent. I suspect a troll.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 7:41am Sussex JIM wrote:
Zzz, if you look carefully you will see that the above post was written by a troll calling himself Sussex Dim.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 8:05am Mark wrote:
Grafter, technology isn't a new thing. Advances just need to matched by investment in education. Whether that is happening is the moot point.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 10:49am Grafter wrote:
Education is good and freely available to those with the intelligence to find it. Hundreds of millions of Asian children are studying late into the night to be proficient in software skills. We think that is unbalanced but we have to accept relative decline if we won't compete.
The greatest challenge maybe to create a cohesive society in the face of such competition. Luckily we have the media to keep everyone docile and not connecting the dots.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 11:02am pete manyata wrote:
Hundreds of millions of Asian children are wasting their time - software skills will be cacrried out by robots within 10 years
On 3 Aug 2015 at 2:52pm Pearliegirliestar wrote:
I'm not one to judge on appearances but......however strong his policies, he looks like an old tramp. I saw him on TV lately and he looked like he'd tried to spruce up bless him, but I can't see him representing the UK as prime minister based on his appearance alone.....
On 3 Aug 2015 at 3:22pm bastian wrote:
Pearlie, if you only vote on someones's appearance, not what they believe in or say, or their intelligence, we will end up with smart suited conmen forever.
That is the main thing that is wrong with politics at the moment-it's about personallity not politics. Slik but inefficient.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 3:59pm Pearliegirliestar wrote:
Yes I see your point Bastian but it's about respect on a world playing field. And i can't see Corbyn commanding a lot of it dressed like Wurzel. I would give him a stage, but there are many who won't give him the time of day...
On 3 Aug 2015 at 4:34pm Clifford wrote:
Sussex JIM I'm surprised you accuse Sussex Dim of being a troll when Sussex Jim's forelock-tugging 19th century 'Yes, master' post was obviously intended to wind us up, which is what a troll does.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 4:50pm bastian wrote:
pearlie you should have read the "Daily Mash" satirical article about how Corbyns dress sense made dads feel safe to go outside, and they felt it might stop their wives advising them to dress up a bit-very funny! and true.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 4:56pm bastian wrote:
and Sussex Jim, if you cannot imagine yourself in a situation where for some unaccountable reason you are unable to work, like the simple accident that could befall any of us, it might seem minor, but affects your daily life, then you would leave yourself utterly stuffed if we all lived by your rules (which are the governments rules). Tax and National insurance is what makes a civillised country, those that have spreading it out for those who have not, that's civilisation going back as far as the Romans (whose architecture, forum and democracey we follow-all power emulates Rome). So why drop it for selfishness.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 5:02pm Merlin Milner wrote:
At least Jeremy Corbyn is not wearing the dull identikit blue suit, talking meaningless waffley nonsense with a smattering of "hard working families" or being part of the Oxbridge PPE mafia.
I may not agree with all he says but he says things with dignity and respect. To assume that he will turn the UK into 1974 facsimile is nonsense and scaremongering by the Westminster bubble. I believe that he will be consensual with the Labour party and provide good opposition to Cameron. For those who remember I wish David Penhaligon were still alive and leader of the Lib Dems.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 5:04pm Skiver wrote:
Grafter, not only do you talk sense, you can spell and punctuate. And presumably graft too, though I suspect not in a manual manner.
On 3 Aug 2015 at 7:51pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
It frightens me when people like Labour Member say that winning the next election isn't everything. While they're all pursuing their utopian path, a government that's more radical than Mrs T is embarking on a reckless, dangerous experiment. Even the bees aren't safe!
I'd rather have a soft/blue Labour in government than a ideologically pure one on the sidelines for ten years (at least).
On 4 Aug 2015 at 9:39am Auntie Aviator wrote:
Completely agree Earl. There's a lot more excitement about being right / morally correct / part of the 'in' club rather than actually reaching the levers of power and creating change that matters to real people. I agree with a lot of what Corbyn says, mind (apart from on defence, where I strongly disagree) but I'm aware that a lot of it is impossible, either fiscally or electorally.
What really irks me, though, is the view that New Labour were no better than Conservatives. They achieved a huge amount for ordinary people and really moved the political centre ground on issues like gay rights. They were miles away from the current Conservative government. OK, Iraq was a disaster, I admit. But it's ridiculous to suggest that if are to the right of Corbyn you are no better than a Tory.
On 4 Aug 2015 at 9:55am notforthelikesofus wrote:
JC gets my vote too.
On 4 Aug 2015 at 12:13pm bastian wrote:
AA, that's because everything has moved one step to the right, leaving the ordinary working class alienated, but confused enough to vote on imigration instead of employment rights (which affect them much more).
On 4 Aug 2015 at 1:20pm Auntie Aviator wrote:
I don't agree, bastian. On some things, perhaps. But we are far more tolerant of differences in sexuality and race than 20 years ago. There is a minimum wage which everyone agrees on, again that was not in place 20 years ago. There are quite a lot more restrictions on areas such as discrimination in the workplace, greater freedom in terms of parental leave, and so on. Many of these are achievements of (hated) New Labour.
Of course in some areas, namely the belief in nationalised industries, or the benefit system, things are probably more 'right wing'.
On 4 Aug 2015 at 2:52pm little wren wrote:
Sussex Jim....subscription to public services? It is called Income Tax.
JC for me.
JC for me.
On 4 Aug 2015 at 6:53pm Labour member wrote:
Auntie Aviator. Who is this 'everyone' that agree's on the minimum wage? Do you live on it? I couldn't. It is and always has been a joke. A bad one at that. I agree on sexuality and race though.
On 4 Aug 2015 at 7:02pm Limp member wrote:
Nothing new under the sun - I remember back in the 70's minions worked for about the cost of 20 fags per hour - now it's the same for the min. wage. A small house was about £10k so extrapolate the min. wage into an "affordable" home and I think we're worse off now. Well not me because I chose an apprenticeship from many offered and have retired with a modest pension and own my modest home. God help my grandchildren.
On 5 Aug 2015 at 7:46am bastian wrote:
That's a good point, in my first full time job my first wage packet was about £80 a week( unskilled work, like most jobs today), but the rent was about £60 a week. Now it would be about £200 a week but the rent is £250 a week.