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Anti Vaxers who get sick and die.

On 17 Sep 2021 at 2:20pm Tom Pain wrote:
Wackadoodle! Conspiracy theory! Galton and the eugenic society never existed,
Bill Gates snr is a myth, Bill jnr was immaculately conceived. Just get stoned and wish it all away.
On 17 Sep 2021 at 4:12pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Im sure one of your conspiracy theories will come true, and despite all of them probably being bogus nonsense, that one bullseye will be sufficient to perpetuate your contrarian tendencies. Its not too dissimilar from a gambler recalling only their last win.

Im not your enemy or an "Agent Smith"....Mr Pain....you just need to stop peddling nonsense with the expectation of being taken seriously.
On 17 Sep 2021 at 8:19pm IDM wrote:
TP 15 Sep - 21-49: I simply don't understand how my "options" do not refer to the current situation. Are you seriously suggesting that anti-vaxxers and non-vaxxers don't exist? I had formed the impression you at least fell into one of these categories.
On 17 Sep 2021 at 11:57pm Tom Pain wrote:
Well I'll put it country simple for you. This is an injection of a gene therapy. An experimental method never used before to treat respiratory disease. It does not contain an attenuated, or let's say weakened, bit of the virus to warn our immune system that it is harmful and to beware of it like all previous vaccines. They were all tested for years before being used on humans and this one has been rushed through in far less time- another difference between this and what is usual in what we know as a vaccine. So my contention is that it is not a matter of being unvaxed or antivax that is appropriate in this situation but whether or not one wishes to volunteer in a medical experiment or not. I hope this clarifies things for you. I would recommend videos by Dr Mike Yeadon who has spent his working life studying respiratory infections. He was head of that department for Pfizer and ended up as a vice president. I think he must know a lot more on the subject than me, you and greeny put together many times over.
On 18 Sep 2021 at 2:36pm Green Sleeves wrote:
So you have taken the non mRNA "gene therapy" vaccine instead then TP? I hear your concerns, but you have an existing alternative in the Astrazenica vaccine (and presumably others).
6bn jabs have been administred now of all vaccines over the past year....us gene therapy volunteers havent yet mutated into the walking dead. In fact, those vaccinated have been proven to end up in hospital considerably less. I guess we will know in 5 years time when you are fending us pfizer zombies off from your underground bunker. At that stage, im not sure what would be the preferable outcome...
On 18 Sep 2021 at 8:26pm Tom Pain wrote:
Latest PHE figures are showing that the majority of August and September "cases" are in the vaxed category. Check it out because your zombie remarks indicate that you're getting less sure of your self. I'm not sure about the AZ jab myself, is it or isn't it? I don't trust them. Listen to Dr Yeadon, he's got nothing to gain from speaking out. The opposite of the government's stooges.
On 18 Sep 2021 at 10:47pm Green Sleeves wrote:
90% of the adult population have had 1 vaccine already in the UK, with around 82% double dosed. It would come as no surprise that the number of cases of the newly infected are already vaccinated, given that only a tiny minority of the population haven't had a vaccine.

The covid wave earlier this year (Jan/feb) was seeing up to 2,000 people a day dying. This was high due to an ultimately unvaccinated population (the vaccine roll out was only really just getting going at that point). This most recent wave we have been fortunate to have a mostly vaccinated population. The peak deaths are around 10% (200 a day) of what they were in january/february, or indeed the march/april wave in 2020.

A recent report stated that out of the 52k covid fatalities this year, just 640 (or 1.2%) were double vaccinated.

So in answer to your inaccurate remark about my confidence in the vaccines, nope, I'm totally satisfied being part of this human "experiment" that you so ominously portray. 6bn jabs over the course of a year or more - i think we would be quite aware if there was going to be a long-term issue by now. You're being melodramatic once again.
On 19 Sep 2021 at 11:05am Tom Pain wrote:
I was as surprised as you that an anti parasitic concoction like ivermectin is so successful in treating the 'rona. The reason is that it acts as a facilitator for zinc to enter the infected cell and disable the pathogen. I suppose it could get rid of any worms you might have as a bonus too.
On 19 Sep 2021 at 11:38am Tom Pain wrote:
During the flu season people get the flu; which might account for the infections at the beginning of the year. As you say, vaccination wasn't widespread then and the reason why vaxed people are the majority of cases now is that they are the majority of the population, very true. I just have a problem with why take a cure that doesn't seem to work very well, makes you more likely to infect others with a high viral load concealed by lessened symptoms and appears to be stimulating mutations of the virus? Actually the word cure is inaccurate, the vax was never claimed to be a cure.If I were to volunteer to test a new medical intervention, I would check the results of previous experiments in the same field, especially when they came to animals and the longer term findings, which don't appear to have happened in this case.
On 19 Sep 2021 at 11:40am Green Sleeves wrote:
Im not as convinced as you are that ivermectin is effective as a treatment for covid. The overwhelming evidence shows the vaccine is far more effective, given that was its core intention, over an antiparasitic drug thats typically used to rid your bowels of tapeworm. I welcome more concrete evidence to support ivermectin as a complementary treatment alongside the vaccine.

You going to ask your GP for ivermectin if you catch covid? Please at least go down this route rather than stocking up at Pets at Home. Or maybe get a tapeworm and your GP will have no other choice but to prescribe you ivermectin.

On 19 Sep 2021 at 12:23pm Nanook of the North wrote:
Ivermectin is just another flavour of snake oil, unless of course you are a horse with worms.

Watch the video »
On 20 Sep 2021 at 12:14pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@ TP. The AZ Vaccine is non mRNA, its a viral vector based vaccine. If you are mainly concerned about the "experiment" mRNA vaccines, then the AZ (or whatever equivalent, like J&J) is the one for you. Its definitely not too late to get them.

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