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I have just rejoined the Labour Party

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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:00pm labour and Proud wrote:
Now we have a party we can be truly proud of after many years away, I have just rejoined the Labour party.There are many more joining every day.Labour membership has grown by 14,500 in a day as Jeremy Corbyn was made leader.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:22pm Wanted wrote:
Some of the most wanted in Britain today..

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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:39pm ed wrote:
Wow.
Have the bookies already paid out on a corbyn landslide with figures like that?
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:40pm Duke of Prunes wrote:
Blimey he`s an evil looking devil .Lock him up and throw away the key.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:43pm Labour and Proud wrote:
The Conservative Party does not routinely publish membership figures, but the current Labour figure is more than double the last reported Tory membership of 150,000 in 2014.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:50pm ed wrote:
Cash them bets in folks it's a shoe-in
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 5:55pm ed wrote:
Cash them bets in folks it's a shoe-in
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 6:23pm Mark wrote:
"Is all of this furious momentum alarming you Mr Sword of Truth?", he enquiried with playful provocativeness.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 6:27pm Paul Newman wrote:
For every person who is a member of the Labour Party there are 75 people who are not. The Conservative Party is not a "movement" it has never had a mass membership it is simply an organisation offering at best competent and moderate government.
I doubt Corbyn will make it to the next election so it is the Party and its lunatic make up that is the real problem I do wonder who centre left people are supposed to vote for ?
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 7:17pm Cliffe Hanger wrote:
Most of the people I work with would class themselves as centre left. I guess I am centre right, though have almost voted Labour in the past - logistical issues prevented me from doing so. My centre left friends claim that Corbyn has disenfranchised more on the political spectrum than he has enfranchised. Time will tell, I guess.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 7:20pm Clement Attlee wrote:
Paul - could you clarify what defines the makeup of the Labour party as lunatic ? Is it wanting more fairness and equality in society generally ? Is it wanting to fight fewer wars which have put this country in such a dangerous position ? Is it wanting rich people to pay their fair share of digging this country out of the mess that the bankers got us into ? That to me does not sound like lunacy.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 7:39pm Paul NEWTMAN wrote:
Help ,Help I`m being irradiated with Korbynite,everything is turning red,Fairness and justice for all,tax the rich more,don`t demonize the unemployed ,did I say that? Help give me a copy of the Speccy so as I can lick it. HEEEEEELLPPP!
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 8:30pm Clifford wrote:
Oh poor Paul Newman, I can smell the panic.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 8:43pm Paul Newm@n wrote:
Ha! Ha! Mr Newman say's he's frustrated? If it were down to me he'd be 'castrated' and left for the plebs to finish him off.

He's a prized pr@t alright..
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 9:06pm Paul Newman wrote:
Clifford - By the old rules people who associate with the IRA talk about creating cash with a "printing"press and are too mentally feeble to either handle an interview or Question time do not become Primeminister.
Unfortunately fourth choice hard left candidates don`t become leader of the Labour Party by the old rules either, so we have to take the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn running the country very seriously indeed .
I think the broad spectrum of ordinary voters including the many sensible people (with whom I may disagree) who voted Labour , must all be horrified at this prospect.
Honestly I was reading , with my son,about the run up to the last war and the decisisive role played by Labour. I felt terribly sad that this Party has become a pathetic backwards looking sad little parody of what it once was.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 9:33pm Paul Newm@n wrote:
Paul Newman your rants have become tiresome & longwinded & so so boring. Do you have nothing better to do with your time?
I maybe wrong but I don't recall your appearance before about 2010 and then the Forum was so much sweeter & harmonious than it is now. You will insist on contributing your tirades of fascist views.
Will you never desist?
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 10:00pm The Labour Socialists wrote:
Hello world we`re back..The tide has turned.The game is up.Tories beware.This time it`s serious.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 10:10pm Redballs wrote:
Sorry to burst the bubble so early but you've got to get elected into government yet. I have just looked at the calender and no blue moon any time soon.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 10:13pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
I see at least three of the posts have been written by our resident troll.
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On 13 Sep 2015 at 10:55pm Harvey wrote:
This is good.

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On 14 Sep 2015 at 8:10am Mark wrote:
Oh dear... That poor child... Bedtime lectures about how the Labour Party caused WW2 and how capitalism is lifting the third world out of poverty. Remind me to ring Social Services.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 8:24am Ducatipete wrote:
You must be mad.
 
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 10:47am Bushy wrote:
A labour party you can be proud of ?? With a traitor like this as shadow chancellor ?? jesus wept youre deluded........

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On 14 Sep 2015 at 10:49am Bushy wrote:
Here is the link to the above post,

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On 14 Sep 2015 at 10:51am Bushy wrote:
The bbc link wont work , but here is what john mcdonnell said, in 2003
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle.
"It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table."
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 11:44am ClicketyYak wrote:
Again PN is off talking claptrap. There has never been communism anywhere. If you actually read what Karl Marx wrote he said that true communism can only exist when it is a global economy not a country here or there. Also the countries that claim/ed to be communist were nothing of the sort - they were purely dictatorships. Try speaking to people who lived behind the iron curtain as I have and stop spouting utter drivel.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 12:03pm Zebedee wrote:
For an "extremist of a sort we have never seen" Jeremy Corbyn seems surprisingly polite and mild-mannered.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 1:18pm Labour is Back wrote:
John McDonnell said back in 2010 "I'd have assassinated Thatcher" what a different place we would be living in now..
oh well we can dream.. Could it be the dawning of new & brighter future for our Country!
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 1:25pm Achilles wrote:
As the post above confirms the real haters are on the left. They joke about killing elected leaders but point and splutter if anyone is skeptical about their latest expedition up the ivory tower.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 2:07pm Labour Every Time wrote:
WHO GOT A STATE FUNERAL
was it Clement Attlee or Margaret Thatcher?
Was it
Clement Attlee...
Who Rebuilt Britain after the Second World War &
Created the National Health Service.
Built One Million New Homes.
Employed over 1,000 New Schools.
Employed 25,000 New Teachers.
Ended the exploitation of workers in many industries through Fair-Wage and employment conditions legislation.
Introduced Child Benefit, Invalidity Benefit, Sickness Pay, Maternity Pay.
Or was it....
Margaret Thatcher with her,
Record levels of unemployment.
Halved British Manufacturing Capacity.
Closed Hospitals.
Closed Hundreds of Schools.
Deregulated the Financial Sector.
Introduced the Poll Tax.
Increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%.
Depleted (Sold Off) Britain's Social Housing Stock
Supported Apartheid Regime in South Africa.
Called Nelson Mandela "That Grubby Little Terrorist".
Harboured Chilean Fascist Dictator Augusto Pinochet.
Abolished Free Milk for Primary School Children.
Oversaw the Biggest transfer of Wealth from the Poor to the Rich in British History!
WHO GOT A STATE FUNERAL?
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 2:30pm Labour Every Time wrote:
PS
Missed off from the list that Clement Attlee was responsible for:
Introduced: Social Security
Built Over 1,000 New Schools
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 3:40pm Paul Newman wrote:
The Attlee government was certainly a great administration but it failed to build houses and this failure was one of the reasons the Conservatives Party were soon back ( that and such things as wishing to retain rationing on ideological grounds ) . It was the Conservative Government who handed the work to private contractors and hugely increased the rate of building. Neither can Attlee claim sole credit for a National health system, similar systems were introduced throughout the West and there was cross Party consensus on the objective .
The particular form it took was driven by Aneurin Bevan which has dogged it with over centralisation ever since, not to say running over budget which happened almost immediately.
Manufacturing output increased under Thatcher, fact , (employment did not ) and whilst it is true the 70s were a period of equality they are acknowledged to have been an economic disaster for the country during which time we suffered galloping inflation at around 25% , were obliged to call on the IMF to bail us out and became an international joke for poor products and endless strikes
The pain of the adjustment that followed was the fault of the Unions and I might add that every single Labour administration since the war has increased unemployment
Its an interesting subject I certainly admire Atlee ( and Bevan) but his policies were new and for their time . They were not policies retained as a religion from thirty years previously.
PS One of the reasons Labour were swiftly kicked out was the suspicion they were not to be trusted on foreign policy given the threat posed by the Soviet Union.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 5:15pm Mark wrote:
What on earth is your point Paul Newman??? Clement Atlee set out to build a land fit for heroes. That's GCSE history. What on earth is the point of spending all that time in a futile and ridiculous attempt to "Newmanise" post-war history?
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 7:53pm Sussex Jim wrote:
political point of view aside, Margaret Thatcher was of our greatest Prime Ministers. I could go on to list her achievments; but I will make just two observations.
The TOTAL housing stock was not depleted, and school milk was discontinued because most kids did not drink it in later years.
It is the people who make a country, not the politicians. MT gave us the chance to be part of a property-owning democracy, to be financially secure by the time we can no longer work and produce wealth. Those who follow the obsolescent socialist path of relying on the state to provide will always be poor.
The choice is yours- Comrades!
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 8:01pm Sussex Dim wrote:
Spank me Maggie ,spank me.I`ve been very naughty.
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On 14 Sep 2015 at 8:28pm Paul Newman wrote:
Mark
The academic establishment were solidly left wing form the war onwards and remain so , I don`t want to trash the Attlee government especially but facts are facts.
Free Education was instruduced by R A Butlers Education Act in 1944
Attlee did not ( FACT) build new hospitals he only took existing local authority hospitals into public ownership
Child benefits were introduced in 1945 by the Conservatiuve caretaker government , the legislation passed on 16,6,45 a month or so before AStlee came to power
It is forgotten that the US threw money at the UK to help the rebuilding and never mind war debts Attlee borrowed as if it ws free money. Much of it wasted in statist failure .
He also Nationlaised Steel Coal Rail shipping the utilties car manufacture and much more . None of this was a success and no-one would have defended it when it was ended . You could argue that he set the template of economic failure that lasted until Thatcher and was carried out by the entire establishment left and right
He went into the 50 and 51 elections promising to ration food indefintely , they liked it , it was socialism
He was capable of sending in the troops to break a strike and is the father of British Nuclear armaments for good or ill.
Of course the fact that so muic of what he takes credit for was in the air anyway was due to the leftward pressurre much of which came from Labour so I don`t think you can discount what theleft did .
I do think the deification of this admninistrtion is ahistorical and is chielfy referred to by people who have no interest in the rather more complicated truth.
 
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On 15 Sep 2015 at 7:21am Mark wrote:
That can be your truth if you want. Mine is that we had we had 3 decades of prosperity under a socialist consensus. Free from recessions with ultra low unemployment and strong growth.
 
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On 15 Sep 2015 at 7:43am Mark wrote:
It's a fine line between complication and obfuscation which is pretty much what your doing, comme toujours.


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