On 8 Feb 2017 at 11:08am Old Righter wrote:
For years myself and my fellow right wingers always felt marginalised and discriminated in our own country by the cultural Marxists and the politically correct brigade. Now we and our views are moving into the mainstream which makes me at least very happy. I m hoping the country will continue in the Right direction,the further the better as far as I am concerned. How far are you willing to go ?
On 8 Feb 2017 at 11:41am Pedro wrote:
Its emboldened a few bigots for sure, but I don't sense this is anything more than a passing blip in history as bad ideas don't suddenly become good ideas over the result of elections. Trickle-down economics will fail time and time again, as will nationalism and irrational paranoia towards minorities. Its totally counter-intuitive and will result in hatred, more resentment, deeper poverty and income inequality. The US faces a larger challenge though with Trump at the helm, and the UK needs to learn from our american cousins mistakes and take nothing for granted when it comes to who we elect as our leaders.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 12:05pm The Greek wrote:
So far right that it becomes left again, without all the associated "National Socialist" characteristics.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 12:23pm Earl of Lewess wrote:
It depends what you mean be right wing. Are you conservative with a small or large c? If your views on economics are libertarian and you support a totally open and free market, then you will be supporting a process that has helped to erode our national identity and sovereignty, with many of our assets owned by foreigners. On the other hand, if you're deeply patriotic, you may need to use more state intervention and protectionism. Nothing is as straightforward as it looks. For my own part, I'm happy with the middle ground, looking after people but also allowing enterprise to flourish. Either extreme really puts me off, whether its stifling political correctness or alt-right looniness.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 12:42pm The Greek wrote:
Free enterprise to encourage innovation, free speech and personal liberty to do as you please with your life and body.
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BUT the natural monopolies that are essential to life (health, education, transport, energy, water, gas, landline telecoms infrastructure etc) should be provided for by the state. Profit has no place in these areas as there is no true competition, maybe every 10 years in Whitehall. Consumers cannot vote with their wallet. This is the best way to level the playing field and to enable people to pursue the aforementioned free enterprise without crippling financial burdens.
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These may not be best served by cumbersome central government departments, but run as a business by business-people with the govt as 100%, or large majority, shareholder. That way we can all benefit.
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Free speech and liberty as far as it doesn't impinge on other people's free speech and liberty or cause discrimination.
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A less interventionist foreign policy, with emphasis on diplomatic and humanitarian co-operation and reduction of baseless nationalism. Patriotism is encouraged. Immigration to be welcomed where useful.
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The environment to take precedence over profit and cost when making decisions.
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Libertarian mixed-economy green pacifist socialism. Quite the concept eh. Much friendlier.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 12:45pm Earl of Lewess wrote:
@The Greek. You've neatly summed up my views far more eloquently than I have.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 12:50pm The Greek wrote:
Thanks. It seems so sensible and seems to work so well in some of Europe's most successful countries I don't know why more people aren't on board with it. It is essentially what the Green party have been saying for years, now followed by the Labour party. Now will people vote for them?
On 8 Feb 2017 at 1:30pm Joe Public wrote:
I'll vote for whoever the Murdoch press tells me.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 2:10pm Nrx wrote:
We are seeing the end of the period of post war globalisation. Nationalism and identity are back.
The loss of status by working class white men is at the heart of the reaction. Sometime in the last few years a lot of college age guys started to act as a bloc online. 4chan,8 Chan etc.
They invented an ironic way of communicating that was deliberately offensive to those who policed their colleges speech codes. Eventually they took over vast areas of the internet.
Steve Bannon weaponized them into the mainstream. They aren't going anywhere!
On 8 Feb 2017 at 2:41pm Pedro wrote:
@nrx an interesting theory, and certainly people like Breitbarts Steve Bannon (on Trumps team), and his UK counterpart Raheem Kassam (editor of Breitbart London, and UKIP member, and fellow Trump fan) have helped oil this movement. But they have basically achieved it with distortions, lies, "alternative facts" and rabble rousing like no other media outlet on any side of the political spectrum. Its a toxic climate at the moment, so I can understand why they have thrived, but there is only so much fake news can thrive before the reality of an alt right-wing agenda basically undermines the very people who support it. Its an empire that is destined to fail as it promotes bad ideas that can't benefit anyone aside from the tiny "elite" that we're ALL supposed to be united on and loathe.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 2:54pm Nrx wrote:
Yes Pedro but it is a process that has to be gone through. The mainstream were unable to overwhelm the silly dank memes. The more people they ban from twitter the more power they transfer to this troll army. It's hapless.
There is no quick fix. It will have to run its course and then we will return to reality.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 5:12pm Hyena wrote:
Does it matter whose in power ? Its lways tough and always a struggle. I'm afraid all my idealism departed a long time ago.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 5:34pm I miss Norman wrote:
I'd go as right as Lib Dem if Norman would come back
On 8 Feb 2017 at 6:33pm Clifford wrote:
It's a good rule of thumb to assume that anyone using the expression 'cultural Marxist' isn't very bright.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 8:23pm Bored bored wrote:
Seriously sad trolling by the droners on this forum so they can continue to drone on at themselves. Setting up your own fake threads is really sad. Why don't you just all meet up? Self indulgence of the highest order.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 10:52pm Tom Pain wrote:
Unfortunately cultural marxism has been very successful. The Frankfurt School were heavily involved with post war cultural planning of the U.K. The establishment just love Socialism,it gives them a very secure tax base, that's why they invented it. I suppose you don't have to be that bright to read a bit of history that isn't handed to you on a plate.
On 8 Feb 2017 at 11:36pm Tom pain in the a r e wrote:
Bang on questions the henchmen arrive....dullness personified Tom pain
On 8 Feb 2017 at 11:54pm Chap wrote:
I dress to the right. Well to the right.