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On 4 Jan 2015 at 8:04pm politics lass wrote:
Saw to or 3 green party door kn0ckers or yester day, anyone get door knocked? Half of them looked like kids!
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On 4 Jan 2015 at 8:49pm Nevill resident wrote:
My son answered the door and they left a flyer. The green candidate seemed to be a young idealist (100% renewable energy, no school fees (which I support), etc). He didn't mention previous employment which makes me concerned.
Compromise is useful to be employed, but essential for politics.
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On 4 Jan 2015 at 9:22pm Mavis wrote:
Greens.....No Way !! Look what's happened to Brighton ! And just how old/Young is Jason Kitcat ? Complete tw@t too.

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On 4 Jan 2015 at 9:54pm Sword of TRuth wrote:
Ha ha ,that Green candidate knocked on my door yesterday, it was brilliant! I was practically running after them in my dressing gown begging for more time to tick them off.
They said what would put you off and my first thought was the policy to leave NATO, then to abandon an alliance of any sort with the US, then to ditch Trident and then to get rid of the army navy and air-force! Fantastic !!!!
He said .."Oh that "....
I said " Yes and then there s the plan to stop ofsted inspections abandon league tables get rid of academies and deny parents access to any information by which we can tell if a school is a dump or not ..."
He said " Oh that.."
I said " Yes and then there is the National joke of the Brighton LA but then above all the Green Party denies there is a deficit , that any retrenchment is required at all and seem to believe that we can have ice-cream stew with ponies by clamping down on corporate tax avoidance ...and that is an outright lie "
They also had something to say about rail fares as if the Green Party had any intention if using public money to fund commuting ( eooo) to the City(eeeooooo... !!! ) tey don`t even approve international trade at all
They said France is a model for funding and rail service to which I wish I had answered ,"It is not you prat France is big flat and covered with agri -industry ...that makes it cheap

I love the Greens they are a non stop public comedy I just wish he would come back
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On 4 Jan 2015 at 11:20pm Alfie Stirling wrote:
Hi Sword of Truth,
Someone pointed me towards your post. I'm flattered that you think we had a conversation yesterday -- sadly I don't remember it at all. Since you wish I 'would come back', let me know your name and I'll be happy to call by. You seem to have a lot to get off your chest.
Alfie
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 7:54am Watcher wrote:
Nice one Alfie. We always suspected you couldn't take a word Sword of Truth says seriously and now we know it's worse than that.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 8:08am Sword of Truth wrote:
Hallo Alfie - I admit to a certain (hopefully ) comedic licence but those were essentially the points I made ( and where I have signaled thusly, wished I had made ).
If you would like to defend the various Green Party Polices I have mentioned do please take the opportunity
What about this one while we are at it?
‘DU405 Cannabis would be removed from the 1971 Misuse of drugs act. The possession, trade and cultivation of cannabis would be immediately decriminalised’
Not sure I want you round for tea thanks but I would be interested to see what you have to say


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On 5 Jan 2015 at 8:25am david wrote:
The Green party has completely discredited itself in this town by its dubious alliances and its partisan deviance from mainstream green polices. No faith left.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 8:49am Humbert wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Greens are wrecking Brighton should have a look at what Labour are proposing with the council tax. That said, I won't vote Green for the local election. Might vote for them in the General though as the only alternative.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 9:26am Mark wrote:
I like the way SOT comprehensively and systematically destroys Green policy by listing the policies (reinterpreted in his own words) and then announcing that each one is foolish. "Eerrm... Cos they just are".
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 11:02am Sword of Truth wrote:
Ok Mark,all those who feel those polices are sensible might wish to support the Green Party and, to be fair to them, they are easily available on line if you think I have misrepresented their position.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 1:00pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Nevill Resident- your visitor sounds like a typical Green.
Young, brainwashed; and probably never done a days' proper work in his life. Harmless enough.
The real menace are those that have access to wealth and play at being Green as a hobby: like the way Lucas and Kitkat are wrecking Brighton.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 1:05pm Humbert wrote:
Oh yes...the Greens are wrecking Brighton!

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On 5 Jan 2015 at 1:40pm Local person wrote:
Sword of Truth. Comedic License is when something is true and, then embellished in a comedic way, but it seems you didn't have any conversation at all to embellish, did you?
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 2:21pm Zebedee wrote:
I think it's fairly evident Sword of Truth was lying. Alfie Stirling may be younger then most politicians but he is a very smart cookie and would have provided convincing replies to all the queries listed.

Some people seem to blindly regurgitate 'look what the Greens have done to Brighton' as if that's enough. No-one I've asked to explain what the 'Greens have done to Brighton' have ever got very far. So go-on. Just what have the Green's done to Brighton that's so bad?

And before you reply it might help to follow the link below.

BTW. Dumping the expensive white elephant that is Trident seems very sensible to me. If we have such a large deficit that the Tories have to destroy the welfare state to reduce it just why are we still diverting such an obscenely large slice of our budget to the military?

The Greens are not at all about banishing international trade. How could they be? But the party does believe in localism, self-determination and decentralisation. All good things as far as I can see. And there are also a lot of people in Brighton who think they are doing good things too (despite the right wing press attempts to trash them).

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On 5 Jan 2015 at 2:44pm Sword of Truth wrote:
'embellished in a comedic way' - is about right, local person and to be honest I`m a little surprised that I was forgotten. Hey nonny ...
Sussex Jim - You are unfair to Mr Stirling, he has worked for the Green Party and some Think Tank.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 2:57pm Old Bloke wrote:
Hope Alfie Stirling doesn't knock on my door he sounds a cocky git.
Still it would be good fun propelling him out the gate on the end of a boot.
I doubt if there's enough barmies even in Lewes to vote the Greens in
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 3:07pm SOT wrote:
No Zebbers I am not, and in that I am merely quoting Green Party Policies I happen to dislike, an "answer" does not arise.
As I say those people who wish to leave NATO run down the armed forces, end any alliance with the US, and The possession, trade and cultivation of cannabis will, for all I know wish to vote for this Stirling. Mr Zebedee is,I gather, one of them, no doubt there are many more.
Fine by me
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 3:20pm Zebedee wrote:
I'd certainly vote for the decriminalisation of cannabis. It's a no-brainer whatever way you look at it.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 3:44pm Old Bloke wrote:
@Zebedee what do you say about decriminalisation of skunk for example and the freeness of availability that would create.
I'm curious
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 3:55pm GhostBike wrote:
You seem to be confusing decriminalisation with legalisation, Old Bloke. It's not about making it freely available like alcohol, it's about not wasting police time on criminalising people who are otherwise well-behaved - treating drug abuse as a public health issue, rather than a crime.
In any case the international evidence shows that there is no link between legal status of these things and the availability and supply. For example, use went down when Portugal decriminalised cannabis; in the Czech Republic, when they tightened the penalties for posession, use went up.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 4:16pm Mark wrote:
I wouldn't accuse The Sword of lying in this instance - seems a bit strong to me. I would accuse him of talking rubbish though. The "Special Relationship" with America boils down to us regularly providing them with moral support for ridiculous wars that other western countries have the sense to stay out of. It is wrong that major corporations pay a lower proportion of their income to tax than ordinary people do and the ridiculous increases in the cost of rail travel since privatisation have nothing to do with the fact that our countryside is hilly.
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 4:31pm Old Bloke wrote:
@Ghostbike - I'm not confusing anything with anything just simply asking someone a question.
This does occur to me though.
If use in Portugal (for example) dropped after decriminalisation (as you say) how would the authorities come to that conclusion?
How do you gauge drug usage - have jobsworths wandering round counting people having a puff possibly?
How did they gauge use in the Czech Republic - could it possibly have been based on the extra convictions when the "penalties were tightened up" and the conviction rate presumably increased (like the perceived (drug use)
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 4:53pm DeanAcheson wrote:
Here's an analysis of the special relationship - by Peter Hitchens writing in the Daily Mail. So, a notably socialist opinion, obviously.

Check it out here »
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 6:39pm S O T wrote:
I have read plenty of Peter Hitchens and there has always been a bitter antipathy towards America on the right surrounding Suez and the repayment of war debts. This is polemical piece written to annoy Atlanticist Conservatives from the old right
You have a point in a way, in that UKIP and the Greens would both pursue an isolationist foreign policy although the Greens appear to want utter irrelevance. UKIP would concentrate only on direct British security threats
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On 5 Jan 2015 at 7:13pm Put off. wrote:
yawn. fake posts, made up 'comedic' incidents, it's as convincing as listening to politicians......hmm, I wonder who is flooding our lovely Forum with this tedious stuff in this Election year.....?
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 9:25am Zebedee wrote:
'Old Git', you have confused legalisation with decriminalisation. You do realise that even some US states are beginning to legalise marijuana? Colorado for instance, and guess what? Not much has changed (although the State has been surprised to see how much tax dollars it gained. Just like you, they didn't realise just what a large proportion of the population enjoyed it).
Your views and prejudices are indicative of a being who has not really lived much. You ought to get out more and experience a bit of life before it gets too late.
 
 
On 6 Jan 2015 at 11:03am Old Bloke wrote:
@Zebedee - what prejudices exactly? What views? How exactly are they indicative of someone "who has not really lived much."
Not expecting an answer as I'm still waiting for replies to previous questions.
You need to rein in your own ego.
Be interesting to know what constitutes your vast life experience
 
 
On 6 Jan 2015 at 11:09am SOT2 wrote:
SOT, you should read the history of the Bretton Woods conference. Many historians would now argue that from early on in the war a key American objective was the destruction of the British empire and a massive reduction in British influence in the world. From the 1950s on their key strategic aim in Europe was the establishment of a strong democratic West Germany as a bulwark against Russia - it got a lot more out of the US than we did.
 
 
On 6 Jan 2015 at 11:31am SOT wrote:
I think thats overstating the case SOT2, the British Empire did not fade as a consequence of perfidious yanks although the 20th century Empire is surprisingly important.
This country was broken by the war and repaying the US into the 70s but without the US how much worse could it have been?
Its an interesting subject but the opposition of the Green Party to America has nothing to do with the complications of our 20th century relationship. It is because in their eyes America is the land of the accursed capitalist and, in general, the boots on the ground for the vast conspiracy of multinational capitalism evil they dimply suppose to exist.
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 12:22pm How much worse ? wrote:
We may have been invaded without the USA but the Nazis would have had their work cut out getting through Sussex UTL up to London . And from any other beachheads too . Last man,last bullet.And we may have formed an unlikely alliance with the Russians . For sure Europe would be different now .
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 12:54pm Zebedee wrote:
Old Bloke. To answer your question (so you can't accuse me of avoiding the again).

Yes even the decriminalization of skunk. Skunk arrived on the scene when the criminal gangs took over the importation of hash into this country in the early 80s. When they did the quality of hash in the UK dived and the composite soap bar, mixed with all sorts of crap became the norm. People became disillusioned with the bad smoke and started to grow their own hydroponically. This turned into a mega business as it was very profitable.

Although skunk is very strong it is nowhere near as nice to smoke as traditionally grown grass/hash. I am convinced if marijuana was legalised (as in Colorado etc) decent quality hash would again become prevalent and that use of skunk would gradually die out.

There are loads of other reasons to legalise marijuana, one being that it will take it out of the hands of criminals and separate it from the supply of harder illegal drugs. And, before you mention it, any talk of it being a gateway drug is ludicrous, you might as well say the same about alcohol or any of the legal highs you can buy nowadays.

One effect of legalisation is that usage generally goes down. The drug becomes less attractive, especially to the young as taking it can no longer be seen as dangerous and a visible sign of rebellion. And have you been to any Dutch towns (not Amsterdam)? Each one has a coffee shop. The hopeless wasters sitting in there smoking dope are the perfect adverts against the use of the drug!

Most of the problems with marijuana are caused by the fact it is illegal. Being illegal has not made it unavailable either. Anyone can buy *any* drugs they want via the dark web, quickly, efficiently and cheaply.
 
 
On 6 Jan 2015 at 2:40pm SotU wrote:
SOT - try reading this.
This quote sums it up: ""[A] splendid book. . . . If you want to understand the gold standard, the always-doomed dollar standard, why the IMF is in Washington, how the US deliberately humiliated Britain over debt before, during and after WWII as part of a very real currency war (but also out of genuine anti-colonial sentiment that the British never understood), this is the book for you. . . "

 
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 7:54pm Old Bloke wrote:
@Zebedee - re skunk = the daftest and most rose tinted argument I have ever read.
You might embrace a drug that destroys lives (how ever few that may be in proportion to users) but I certainly don't.
Why bring "gateway" drugs into it? I didn't and never would. I think you're just trying to be clever again which is par for the course with you.
Few contradictions in there and spoken like someone who needs to justify his own habit.
PS Yes I have been to Holland - many times and hardly ever Amsterdam nice city that it is
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 10:47pm Ed Can Do wrote:
There's absolutely no need for us to keep Trident. Should anyone running Russia or China ever get crazy enough to launch a nuclear strike on the UK, the fact that we might shoot back is incredibly unlikely to dissuade them.

Our military is in desperate need of re-structuring. We still have it set up to fight protracted land wars with full tank brigades but that's looking like an increasingly unlikely situation. The wars we fight from now on will be against small cell guerillas for which you need highly mobile, self-sufficient units. Rather than spending more and more money on some general's vanity project tanks and huge numbers of standing soldiers, we should be spending the money of state of the art equipment for individual soldiers and on more specialised soldiers we have. I'm not saying cut the budget but it could be much better spent. If we invested in renewable energy more, we wouldn't need to backup America when they go on resource grabs in the middle east and could concentrate our forces on more important stuff.

As for decriminalising or legalising weed, it's a no brainer surely? Millions of people across the country use the stuff and for the police to even consider locking up people for it is a enormous waste of resources. Add to that the massive potential tax revenue from taxing legal supplies and from a financial point of view if nothing else it's a no-brainer.

Sadly, anything like this requires a huge ideology change in the political classes and all the time they are more interested in short-term, populist policies to win power rather than actually doing what's best for the country then we'll just carry on as a nation slowly stagnating on the world stage, making things tougher for everyone who lives here.
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On 7 Jan 2015 at 2:22am Zebedee wrote:
'Old Bloke'. The number of lives skunk has destroyed is but a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers that have been destroyed by alcohol. My view is not rose tinted at all. It is informed, logical and practical. And nor do I have a habit. As for trying to be clever.....well, its not really necessary to try when crossing swords with you.
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On 7 Jan 2015 at 4:42pm GhostBike wrote:
As for the wasted resources, try visiting A&E on a Friday and Saturday night, or for that matter West Street in Brighton, and see the enormous cost and burden alcohol places on society in general and the NHS in particular. And that's before we start talking about the amount of domestic violence that is associated with drink. The amount of women's lives which are destroyed by alcoholic/violent partners makes the damage caused by skunk virtually insignificant.


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