On 3 Sep 2014 at 9:29am The Pub Bore wrote:
Go Scotland Go!
If you were obliged to listen to your girlfriend droning on to her equally boring mate about whether to leave you or not, for months on end, even the most patient chap would start helping her to pack. That is not why I want Scotland to vote yes though.
True the Scottish threat to walk away from the debts they ran up is preposterous but no more so than the idea that we would refuse a currency deal with Scotland Let us hope it is sabre rattling as the Scots have evidently concluded.
The main reason for Scotland to go however is to escape addiction to fried mars bars and socialism . Since the decline of manufacturing employment the UK exchequer has subsidised Scotland creating vast welfare deserts, third-world life expectancies, and, very nearly the lowest rate of business start-ups per head in the world .*A country once famous for its entrepreneurial spirit and formidable intellectual energy has been reduced to defining itself in terms of imagined grievances .
Independence will ultimately mean fiscal reality. A self-sustaining Scotland will have to rediscover its true self to survive .They`ll be fine .For England it will mean the end of the Labour Party as we know it, but also the end of the Conservative Party which, moribund and fracturing, only persists to resist Union backed Labour .
All good. There is hardly a subject in our national life that isn`t in dire need of open democratic scrutiny and fresh thought . The Scots have 90% due to show up and decide their future, think by contrast of the tweedle dee and tweedle dumb will be served up for our rubber stamp
I hope the Scots take their chance, and I hope we get ours as well. Go Scotland!
*Amongst comparable countries
On 3 Sep 2014 at 9:39am Mark wrote:
I'm just worried about what on earth will happen to this country if we lose our Scottish voters. Almost every voter who has any shred of social conscience seems to live in Scotland. Will we wind up with Nigel Farage as PM? Will we wind up an exact duplicate of the USA? Private affluence alongside public squalor. Ridiculous wars against oil rich countries every 6 months?
On 3 Sep 2014 at 10:19am Hadrians brickie... wrote:
Yeah, let 'em go, bring the Trident fleet and all Naval shipbuilding work back south of the border, let them run and fund their own local NHS, education, welfare and defence budgets out of their own taxation revenue.
Send them on their way with their chunk of the national debt based on population headcount (having creditted them with their chunk of the Oil revenue based on population headcount too) and then rebuild Hadrians Wall and leave them to it.
And of course, they'll need to sort out Scottish passports and Scottish Embassies around the world too, or pay Britain to act on their behalf.
And no, don't let them share our Pound Sterling, let them try and get into the Euro, or develop their own currency, and make them stand on their own two feet and make their own way in the world.
If they want independence then let them have it, but they have to take it all, rough and smooth, not just the "best bits" that that joker Salmond is trying hard to sell them.
Salmond seems to epitimise the worst of Scotland, brash, gobby, and a vastly over-inflated view of the importance of Scotland on the world stage.
And remind them that if they vote "yes" in two weeks time that then thats it, no chance of reversing the decision as the unpleasant aspects of independence start to become clear(er).
Salmond is at risk of selling a lot of good people down the river by playing on the strength of their loyalty to a mythical "Bonny Scotland", but of course he will be long gone from politics by the time they start to realise that.
On 3 Sep 2014 at 11:22am Punctuator wrote:
It's Paul Newman again with his idiosyncratic punctuation style .One day he will learn that the space goes after the full stop not before it .This will prevent other posters realising immediately who he is .Although it will still be obvious from the views expressed .
Of course, losing Scotland will mean that we are much smaller on the world stage, with a lower population than France or Italy. Meanwhile, the pressure for autonomy for different parts of the rump UK will grow. Northern Ireland will go quite quickly, I'd imagine. Calls for devolution for the North will intensify. England's isn't really sustainable as a Singapore-style city-state coupled with an ignored and fading post-industrial hinterland.
On 3 Sep 2014 at 1:10pm Masticator wrote:
Yadda yadda ye ken now`t but yadder ye bunch o` chanty rasslers
On 3 Sep 2014 at 6:55pm Hereward the Wake wrote:
Salmond: Awa an' bile yer heid!