On 2 Apr 2014 at 8:19pm p.c wrote:
After round 2
Nigel Farage 9
Nick clegg 1
On 2 Apr 2014 at 8:27pm The Old Mayor wrote:
What's the point in having a general election, when we are dictated to by un-elected bureaucrats ? Good question eh ?
On 2 Apr 2014 at 8:31pm p.c wrote:
That was a very good point .
On 2 Apr 2014 at 8:51pm Realist wrote:
this was a debate between an idiot and another idiot, so I see little point in wasting any time thinking about it, other that worry about people who take notice of either of them.
On 2 Apr 2014 at 8:56pm Tom wrote:
Nigel Farage came over very well .
On 2 Apr 2014 at 9:06pm p.c wrote:
Farage 68% clegg 27% dont know 5%
On 2 Apr 2014 at 9:06pm Country Boy wrote:
Yes, Farage talked a lot of sense.
On 3 Apr 2014 at 12:04am Bored Voter wrote:
I suppose even if Clegg gets a few extra votes for the Lib Dems, he'll consider it a success !
On 3 Apr 2014 at 6:58am Sad Englishman wrote:
It's very dispiriting that people seem to take M. Farage's drivel at face value. I blame the education system and the media for dumbing people down to the point where they'll buy any old snake oil. Then again, Nick Clegg is not a great advocate for the European cause. I was mostly struck by how similar they were: it felt like two posh rich kids yah-booing in a common room.
On 3 Apr 2014 at 9:30am Head Girl wrote:
Well Sad Englishman it's only you and Micheal Gove who have realised we are not educating those kids properly !
On 3 Apr 2014 at 11:11am lewes resident wrote:
thought Farage did really well and Clegg is just ineffectual. I would be afraid to vote for UKIP though just in case it knocked out the Conservatives, so I will probably stick with the Conservative party. interesting debate though.
On 3 Apr 2014 at 12:07pm Deelite 2 wrote:
I don't understand why people say that the EU is unelected. We vote for our representatives in the organisation! And what more the voting system is much fairer than the UKs outmoded first past the post system.
On 3 Apr 2014 at 2:46pm Clifford wrote:
Deelite 2, didn't the referendums on the EU Constitutiogive you a clue? Anyone who gave the wrong answer was made to do it again until they gave the right answer.
On 4 Apr 2014 at 10:28am Tony Benn wrote:
2 hours of Party political electioneering for the National Socialists (UKIP) just weeks before the Euro Elections, well done Clegg !
On 4 Apr 2014 at 5:05pm Merlin Milner wrote:
It is amazing the ignorance about the EU and how it works. I attach a link on how the European Union works. It seems that Farage can say anything and 2/3rds believe him. My late father fought in the 2nd WW for a free Europe and will damned if we let it slip through our fingers because of a of amiable UKIP leader telling a good story.
The EU is by no means perfect. 2 parliaments is daft, staff should pay tax and a less centralist approach would be beneficial and many more other reforms are needed.
However lets have some real facts rather than nonsense cooked up by politicians, the press and the public.
Check it out here »
On 4 Apr 2014 at 5:25pm Bookworm wrote:
Nice propaganda book MM !
On 4 Apr 2014 at 7:50pm padster wrote:
Do not underestimate Farage. People like him he talks straight. He is a natural orator. He could shake things up s bit in Westminster and the EU. I like him like .
On 5 Apr 2014 at 7:51am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Farage is very good at putting across the arguments against the EU, but then those arguments are simple.
The arguments in favour tend to be more complex and subtle, and therefore can't be made in simple bullet points. EU regulations for public sector procurement, for example, are very complicated, but have made the process of letting contracts much less susceptible to the sort of corrupt practices that went on in the 60s and 70s (older FMs may well recall the saga of Poulson and T Dan Smith).
The fact that products made and sold in member states have to comply with common standards means that companies have access to wider markets without changing the product from country to country, which must surely be good for business.
Things like that are much harder to get across than the simplistic points made by Farage and his pals.
On 5 Apr 2014 at 6:02pm Porkie wrote:
See who was telling the biggest porkies here at fullfact.org/europe/video-clegg-farage-debate-factchecked Link below.
Check it out here »
On 6 Apr 2014 at 1:11pm Clifford wrote:
Merlin Milner wrote: 'My late father fought in the 2nd WW for a free Europe...'
All credit to your father Merlin. What we owe people who fought the Nazis can never be fully repaid. But I'm not sure what a 'free Europe' has to do with the EU. Are you suggesting that countries such as Norway and Switzerland, which are not EU members, are in some way 'unfree'? Was Britain 'unfree' before joining the EEC in 1973?
On 6 Apr 2014 at 1:14pm Clifford wrote:
Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote: 'EU regulations for public sector procurement, for example, are very complicated, but have made the process of letting contracts much less susceptible to the sort of corrupt practices that went on in the 60s and 70s...'
Are you talking about the EU whose accounts are so riddled with 'errors' that auditors have refused to sign them off for 19 successive years? If we need the EU to guarantee some kind of probity god help us. Unaccountable money sloshes round there like billy-o.
On 6 Apr 2014 at 6:35pm padster wrote:
If you believe on the authority of our centuries old parliament then resist the federal Europe. I dont want to live in a capitalists club that is the EU. We are not the usa we are very different culturally to our European cousins but if there was a vote tomorrow I would vote to leave.
On 8 Apr 2014 at 12:16pm Sad Englishman wrote:
@ Head Girl
Funnily enough, it wasn't the education system today I was talking about - most of UKIP's weak-minded support comes from the middle-aged and elderly, so it was education in the past that seems to have failed to instil critical thinking into the populace. Not that there isn't plenty that could be improved now, but that's for another thread...
What I find most offensive is UKIP's mobilisation of scapegoating, in just the same way as far right parties have always done. The real threat that UKIP poses is not to our membership of the EU but to the basic values - tolerance, fair play, freedom - that we did indeed fight for in WWII. The fact that they have a very plausible chap at the front doesn't disguise the agenda very well, and, indeed, almost every time someone else from the party opens their mouth vile awfulness seems to spill out. It just pains me that so many people are taken in by M. Farage.
On 8 Apr 2014 at 4:36pm Clifford wrote:
Sad Englishman - studies show that Ukip gathers most support from the least educated. But surely the not very bright are entitled to be represented by a simplistic party.