On Thu 17 Oct at 6:31pm Astrid wrote:
I dont see the point of XR they need to stop this illegal and polluting action and go get a day job and a bath!!
Jumping on top of a train is moronic and dangerous and protesting the least polluting way to travel equally moronic and makes me not for the first time question their reason behind there actions which probably have little to do with the climate crisis
On Thu 17 Oct at 9:16pm Sleeveless wrote:
Same old faces, different places.
On Thu 17 Oct at 9:52pm Local99 wrote:
And further ER hypocrisy in the Pells this week, with a two-car household demanding that ESCC stop funding climate change.
You couldn't make it up.
On Fri 18 Oct at 11:53am Green Sleeves wrote:
They are getting attention, thats a victory in itself, and whether you find their methods outrageous, it's got people more engaged with the enormous challenges of tackling climate change. Of course if you think that climate change is a hoax or psuedo-science, then whatever climate activists do will irk you.
Let's not forget that this is a non-violent and peaceful movement and the activists, and there are many of them, are generally well educated and well meaning, and trying to make a positive change. Even if it risks arrest and a little bit of disruption. For the "Greta" good.
On Fri 18 Oct at 12:09pm Astrid wrote:
Green sleeves they are not well meaning at all they aggravate the public by stopping honest hard working people getting to work. They have stretched the police force at a time when knife crime is at its highest and ALL they have achieved is being arrested and people are talking about how hypocritical these people are not about climate change. Which by the way I feel is a huge issue! XR are taking away from the real issue not getting people to talk about it it is Completly counter productive.
On Fri 18 Oct at 12:45pm Hyena wrote:
The bloke on the roof of the train at Canning Town wasn’t non violent , have a look at the footage.
On Fri 18 Oct at 2:02pm Green Sleeves wrote:
"honest and hardworking people" is such a Daily Mail-esque slur. It's generally meant to demean the activists, and portray them as wasters and against the rest of the population. I'd urge them to see how and who XR formed in the first place before they cast lazy judgements. Always try to be better than Piers Morgan....if the likes of him are criticising any movement, it's usually means they are probably on the right side of history.
On Fri 18 Oct at 3:09pm Sussex Gammon wrote:
"Extinction Rebellion is an international movement that uses non-violent civil disobedience in an attempt to halt mass extinction and minimise the risk of social collapse."
The fact this thread exists is proof what they are doing is working.
Conversations are happening that wouldn't have had a guy not stood on a train and annoyed a bunch of people
On Fri 18 Oct at 4:40pm Astrid wrote:
Sussex gammon are these conversations about the climate crisis???
NO they are centred around some self righteous idiot that stood ontop of a train a highly stupid, thoughtless and dangerous act. So if that's what you wanted to happen then you have succeeded?!!
I assumed XR was about climate change though...I must have got that wrong?
Also they arnt non violent they incite violence it was all recorded by multiple people on the platform on the underground....that's why they have a ban!!
They are morons who want to go down in history nothing more. Its selfish just because they arnt bothered if they have a job or not or have a mass inheritance to fall back on like one of the protesters who climbed on the trains there are people who do want to get to work!!
On Fri 18 Oct at 4:43pm webbo wrote:
After so many peeaceful protests how predictable is it that people blow one dodgey incident totally out of proportion to further reinforce their predjudices
On Fri 18 Oct at 4:57pm Hyena wrote:
On Fri 18 Oct at 5:14pm Nevillman wrote:
The 'leaders' of XR have I believe gone on record as saying that they did not approve of the train protest and tried to stop it.
On Fri 18 Oct at 5:29pm Sussex Gammon wrote:
Astrid... Green Sleeves just suggested in this conversation that people "try to be better than Piers Morgan"... if people read that, and take it on board, even a little bit, then yes, the conversation born of an idiot standing on a train was a success.
On Fri 18 Oct at 5:37pm Astrid wrote:
Sussex gammon sorry its Friday evening so maybe I'm being slow but can I just ask is XR successful because people are talking about an idiot who sat on top of a train? Im confused
I thought they would be successful if they got people discussing climate change? Which they are not!!! that is why they are counter productive In my opinion
On Fri 18 Oct at 6:37pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Astrid, climate change has gone right up the agenda over recent months, and I don't believe it's just pure coincidence. Yes, not all XR "stunts" are universally well received but it's clear people are taking notice, even if it's irritating certain types of personalities who tend to overuse phrases such as "social justice warriors" and "do-gooders". I think it's been quite effective overall.
I'd be mortified if I were in my 70s or 80s now and felt disdain towards those activists fighting for equality over issues such as race, sexuality or gender from generations ago or thought of them as some sort of nuisance and inconvenience. Be on the right side of history - climate change is an existential crisis that requires drastic change and action.
On Fri 18 Oct at 7:15pm Astrid wrote:
Most of what you said was drivel but I agree that there is a climate crisis what I dont agree is the method XR adopting which is to create more pollution and close lines of communication by illegal and dangerous meaningless action upsetting ordniary ppl and putting lives in danger in the ridiculous hope that someone remembers your stupid XR sign.
What you have just written speaks volumes.....that you are happy if XR get noticed and talked about ......NOT if there are serious discussions or educating people just as long as ppl are talking about XR its laughable considering XR stands for illegal inaction and inciting violence, dancing half naked whilst.high on drugs and getting arrested while calling yourself mr broccoli it is all pointless!!! Dont kid yourselves that you are like the suffragettes either at least they had a clear message you just want to cause disruption for the sake if it
On Fri 18 Oct at 7:30pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Protest movements and activists since time immemorial, have had people like you, Astrid, cynically disapprove of them, and pompous sneering. You've fallen into that generational trap, perhaps, or you're just reading too much tabloid nonsense.
It's easy to pick on activists, it's a cheap sport for tabloids and the piers Morgan's and Donald trump's of this world. Who will you start nodding in agreement with next on this, Jezza Clarkson and Aaron Banks?
Open your eyes, wake up. If you're getting distracted by Mr Brocolli and negative alt-righr memes of Greta Thunberg, then it says more about you and the kinds of media that appeals to you, rather than the vast majority of a positive and progressive movement.
On Fri 18 Oct at 7:45pm Hyena wrote:
My favourite XR member was the teacher who when interviewed on radio last week said that he’d booked a week off work to protest in London.
On Fri 18 Oct at 7:51pm Astrid wrote:
Very transparent! So you think everyone that disagrees with XR methods dont have minds of their own?
Mr broccoli like every single member represent XR if you cant see holes in XR that's quite worrying but you can take comfort in not being alone
On Sat 19 Oct at 11:51am Tom Pain wrote:
Greenie urges the examination of the credentials of ER's founders, that's a very good idea. I would also suggest a cursory glance at their sponsors. It might be beneficial to ponder the results of being carbon neutral; the population would have to be drastically reduced for one, I wonder how that is going to be achieved? The outcry against the Tory austerity plans a few years ago was fairly widespread in view of it's harshness against the less well off but I dread to think what the results would be if ER get their way. Perhaps it's the answer to the excess population problem. I am not Clarkson or Morgan or a newspaper reader or TV watcher not even the British Brainwashing Corporation, I don't believe that Elvis lives on the moon or that lizards run the world so greenie doesn't have to worry about that though I'm sure he will associate me With another of his mythological golems in his untiring efforts to discredit anyone who disagrees with him by spurious association!
On Sat 19 Oct at 12:23pm Green Sleeves wrote:
The population argument is a weak one and takes no consideration of innovations and the possibility of people being able to change habits and adapt. Nope, it must surely only mean we go back to the stone age OR cull billions of poor humans ...
Please tell me some of XRs sponsors....I'm guessing not many from the Fossil Fuel industry.
On Sat 19 Oct at 10:29pm Tom Pain wrote:
My argument still seems strong to me, at least in comparison to yours. Please tell me what innovations you forsee, remembering how little time ER gives us to be carbon neutral. You can look up the sponsors as well as me. Then there's the question; who sponsors the fossil fuel industry? Finance is the oil that keeps the wheels of industry turning. Big oil is the bete noir of a lot of environmentalists but, to my mind It's the big money behind it that needs examining. Not that big oil doesn't need bringing down to size, I don't like it any more than you do.Incidentally have you read about the oil based chemical industry v cannabis? It appears that plastic was made from plant based cellulose and the whole reefer madness scare was drummed up by Dupont etc. to demonize the growing of hemp for making plastic which was used for body parts in the model T Ford. How true it is I don't know,but it wouldn't surprise me.
On Sun 20 Oct at 11:34am Mark wrote:
Make a trip to Germany. You only need to spend a few days there to start to feel that the innovations required are actually achievable. My German brother-in-law drives an all electric BMW i3. He charges it using the power from the solar panels on his roof. He took me for a ride in it. It has an amazing turn of speed. It needs almost no servicing. It cost him no more than a high-spec VW Golf. Public transport is superb over there. Every road has a safe bicycle path running alongside it.
Where there's a will there's a way. The will doesn't exist in the Anglo Saxon world - the vested interests are too strong. And it's sad to see the media undermining a progressive movement like ER by cherry-picking what they can use against them. A bloke on a train roof - the whole environmental crisis distilled down to that.
On Sun 20 Oct at 11:42am David Stanley wrote:
Long term nuclear is ideal for base load and much less destructive than the mining involved in metals for solar panels and batteries which is currently causing wars nobody cares about apparently.
Unfortunately their is so much expensive propaganda against it I can't see it happening.
On Sun 20 Oct at 11:34pm Tom Pain wrote:
Vested interests, yes Mark. The German banking system is not centralised like ours. They have many small independent banks that lend to small and medium-sized businesses that manufacture g.d.p. generating products. Unfortunately the ECB is "rectifying" the situation according to Richard Werner who's videos are extremely edifying. The evidence of many crumbling nuclear waste containers discovered by fishermen in the seas around Britain doesn't leave me with a feeling of confidence as to the responsibility of the nuclear industry, David.
On Mon 21 Oct at 12:28pm Local99 wrote:
A tip – if you want to make a load of money, get into the business of electric car battery replacement. Give a couple of years, and you'll be rolling in it...
On Mon 21 Oct at 1:12pm David Stanley wrote:
Drilling for oil has environmental costs but look at the devastation being wrought by open mining (literally chopping through hills) and the poisonous runoff in China where the heavy metals required for battery production are found. That cute electric car is causing massive destruction despite it's daily use being low carbon. Then there is the totally unplanned for disposal of highly toxic used batteries and panels.
On Mon 21 Oct at 8:45pm Tom Pain wrote:
How about vegetable based plastic, if it exists, cars with bio fuel engines? Ah but then there'd be no land for growing food, damn it and the drivers would be so high from the hemp fumes they'd be crashing all the time and sitting by the roadside thinking-- how come Greenland was green before the new green deal? Was London under water in those days, did they have polar bears and would the United Nations put a stop to it's infernal meddling, no one voted for it anyway.
On Wed 23 Oct at 12:44pm Nevillman wrote:
Am I the only one who struggles to understand what Tom pain is trying to say? Is it really sophisticated trolling or the incoherent thoughts of a rambling moron. I would love to try to argue on here point by point but apart from the odd statement, it is really impossible to work out what his main point is.
On Wed 23 Oct at 6:21pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@nevillman, he seems mainly to get giddy over discussing various conspiracy theories. Oh, and if he refers to me as "Greenie" one more time, I may actually become physically aggressive for the first time in my life
On Wed 23 Oct at 11:27pm Tom Pain wrote:
Oh no greenie, your patrician conceit knows no bounds. I make a gesture of camaraderie on the absurdity of reefer madness and you want to get violent about me using a diminutive of your moniker! So to Nev, forgive me, I find it difficult to remain serious for too long with people who chuck terms like --rambling moron and conspiracy theorist around whilst acting the innocent.
On Thu 24 Oct at 11:39am Nevillman wrote:
Thank you for helping me to clear up my query about what you are Tom. I am happy to see that you are not a sophisticated troll.
On Thu 24 Oct at 6:22pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Oh no....he called me "Greenie" again, i'm so enraged, in a camp way.