On 30 Sep 2016 at 9:56am Biggles is back wrote:
I don't think I have ever seen a post generate so much interest.Its a bit of a shame that the original post about concern over open drug dealing in public spaces has been hijacked by pot heads trying to justify their own illegal drug taking.Drugs are a scurge on society and rip families and communities apart.
I suspect those who condone drug use are without children of their own.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 10:04am dupes wrote:
Yes moronic and selfish criminals and while they continue to hand money over to gangs willingly they now want legalisation so they can hand money over to big corporations and push mental illness on our youngsters. Pathetic.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 10:36am Pedro wrote:
No one is condoning abuse of drugs. Like with ANYTHING - food, drink, recreational drug (legal or not), its always sensible to use in moderation for a multitude of reasons.
It seems that memo was missed out by many people when it comes to alcohol. Despite plenty of well publicised evidence and warnings. The two current legal drugs for recreational use (well they certainly serve no medical purpose to consume) are highly addictive compared to the likes of weed and psychedelic drugs, and far more dangerous to vital organs, including the brain, which seems to be the only focus of the anti-drug squad. Yes, alcohol is a proven killer of braincells, and EVEN in moderation. I would not recommend young people with developing brains smoke marijuana frequently, nor would I recommend they drink alcohol beyond a few units a week. The evidence for actual physical and mental damage though is far more stacked up against using alcohol, regardless of amount consumed or age of the user.
What is irresponsible, is that while we have (sensibly) a ban on tobacco advertising now, we still don't have it for alcohol. Alcohol is glamourised and marketed very aggressively to a young audience. This is far more of a threat to our kids today than cannabis will ever be.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 10:50am Parent wrote:
@pedro. Stop deflecting the arguement away fron cannabis. Two wrongs dont make a right.
I sincerely hope you and 'yeah' do not have children.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:00am Lewes Citizen wrote:
Just wondering why the 2 weed smokers on here feel the need to do so. I mean 200 quid a month suggests to me you are an addict and not "a recreational user".
Could you stop if you wanted to? I bet the answer is no
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:08am @parent wrote:
The OP is not about cannabis so stop bringing the argument back to it.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:16am Pedro wrote:
@parent - its not deflecting away from any argument, its pointing out the glaring inconsistencies and hypocrisy over what consenting adults choose to consume for their own pleasure (or health). Cannabis is perfectly safe to consume in moderation and responsible adults across the world do it in their millions without consequence. If you want to avoid risks in life, stay at home, don't leave the house, and eat only fruit and vegetables - as nearly everything most humans do in their lives is taking a bigger risk of death than vaping a small quantity of cannabis at home. Be wary the next time you get on a train or cross the road - the death rates of these activities are far higher than the number of deaths caused by consuming cannabis.
Hoping I, or other cannabis users, don't have children is far more of a deflection and frankly its rather patronising, rude and misguided. Its friday night, so I'm sure you will be raising a glass of alcohol at the fact that cannabis remains illegal in this country for now. Nearly every cell in your body will meanwhile be compromised by this.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:24am Go figure wrote:
@Someone who knows, so you're basically saying the reason drugs shouldn't be legalised, user registered and given medical help and the drugs taxed is because your friends who bought drugs illegally from a back street dealers ended up do it irresponsibly to the point most are now dead.
It's worth pointing out your logic is anything but logical.
@Pharma, I have smoked for 3 decades. Different drugs have different effects on different people.
I think I'm fairly safe from it being a gateway drug for me, in fact the opposite. Prior to smoking every evening I used to drink a couple of pints every evening, I would not have been able to do that for 3 decades without serious consequences.
@Lewes citizen, "do we realise we're directly funding criminals", we are criminals for purchasing it so fairly null point?
FYI I purchase from a friend who grows it, I am not funding organised crime, personally I would rather purchase it from a licensed business and pay tax on it.
You also clearly have no idea about the cost of Cannabis, £200 equates to around 20g of weed, roughly 2 a day or 4 at weekends.
Not that it's any of your business I smoke because I choose to, not because I need to, I don't smoke every day and have given up for many months many times.
And that's kind of my point, I am an adult, I know what the upsides and the downsides of both alcohol and cannabis are, out of the two I will always choose cannabis (as it's the lesser of two evils).
If the government don't want to tax me I am not going to lose sleep over it, makes me laugh though that most people wouldn't care if I had a few beers every night or a couple of glasses of wine.
@Parent, the argument is not about "Cannabis" the poster saw "a drug deal" there was no mention of what the drugs were.
Learn to read?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:26am Ben wrote:
Whoever wants to smoke weed will smoke it whether legal or not. Whoever wants to drink alcohol will do so whether legal or not.
Some people will indulge in either substance to excess. That is in their make up. There will always be addicts.
I have a booze cupboard rammed with every spirit there is, I also have some weed in a tin. I haven't touched the weed for years, but I offer it to guests along with the alcohol. It must be 12 months since anybody went for the spliff option and they just had a few drags and left half of it. Nobody I know makes a decision to bypass the weed option based on it being illegal. It is just like another choice in the drinks cabinet. So why is it illegal when it serves exactly the same purpose as alcohol?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:30am Pedro wrote:
There are clearly far more than two on here that consume weed, so stop trying to discredit us by painting us as some sort of addicted junkie minority. Secondly, I already pointed out that £200 per month seemed a lot to me but I'm a vapouriser, and he may be a smoker - which tends to be less efficient (perhaps he can clarify it). I spend between £40-60pm which is between me and my partner, and sometimes shared with others. This has remained a constant for over 2 years. We used to spend far more on alcohol, but now the only "alcohol" we buy is the occasional non/low-alcoholic beer. There is no addiction. We went for a 2 week holiday in August and didn't see or touch the stuff during that time without any withdrawal. You have to bear in mind, that cannabis dependence is quite rare, and usually far less harmful or physically addictive than our friends alcohol and nicotine. Nicotine is only beaten by crack and heroin on the addictive substances list, alcohol is #5 and cannabis isn't in the top 10. Only around 8% of cannabis users become addicted.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:32am Old Bike wrote:
Sorted. Someone skin up, FFS!
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:37am Lewes Citizen wrote:
Why do you keep banging on about tobacco and alcohol? We are discussing illegal drugs. You are a criminal. End of. I hope the police will be paying you a visit shortly.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:48am Pedro wrote:
@lewes citizen, they won't. We all know the police have no interest in people smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes, and rightly so. Time for you to stop being so bitter and resentful towards adults who aren't as joyless as you.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 11:57am dupes wrote:
They are using it as a way of deflecting the argument because they don't have one past their own selfish desire to smoke an illegal substance and break the law. They have no care for the damage it does to those adversely affected and their families.
Just because one harmful substance that has been around for thousands of years is legal does not mean you should try and legalise something else.
They won't answer the central fact that cannabis can and does damage mental health, is linked to an increased risk of psychosis particularly in the young and has a strong correlation with mass gun shootings who practically all have been heavy users.
In calling for legalisation they want to see availability of this harmful substance increased dramatically, it will marketed by unscrupulous corporations who stand to make millions out of naive youngsters. The only outcome will be a much more unpleasant and dangerous world.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:05pm notforthelikesofus wrote:
anybody got any veras?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:11pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
Exactly dupes. They go on and on about the harmful effects of legal alcohol and tobacco and then say drugs should be freely available and legal. Utter hypocrasy.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:14pm Pedro wrote:
@dupes In places where cannabis has been legalised or de-criminalised, there is just no evidence of any tangible rise in usage or adoption - this has just not materialised, despite all the cries from the doom/fear mongerers like yourself suggesting it would. It just hasn't.
The affect of cannabis in high usage is inconclusive, and there are contradictory studies. Besides, no one is promoting anything other than adults using cannabis responsibly and in moderation. Surely adults have the right to view all the evidence and make a choice themselves whether its worth the risk or not? We do it for other things in our life, why not cannabis? Also there is plenty of evidence for the numerous medicinal applications for cannabis which is transforming peoples lives. You focus on risks, which while I don't dispute is a sensible approach, you fail to acknowledge any of the positives.
Exploiting mass shooting tragedies with links to cannabis use is rather low and desperate. You should also review your sources as your claims are wildly overstated as it was found that "only" 6 of the most recent 23 mass shootings, the culprit had cannabis in their system (which is a drug that remains in ones system for quite a while anyway). I am not going to say that of the 6 mass shootings where the perpetrator was found to have cannabis in their system, were not under the influence at the time, but then there is little proof that it influenced and inspired them at all in the first place - that would be reaching. Perhaps the fact they had access to guns in the first place was more of an issue? I guess that probably doesn't fit into your narrative though.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:16pm Pedro wrote:
@lewes citizen. Are you blind? Nobody advocating cannabis here is calling for alcohol or tobacco to be banned and unavailable to adults. The risks should be well known now to people, and they can make an informed decision as to whether they light a cigarette or drink a beer. Its their choice. The same should apply to cannabis and this works perfectly well in states where it shares parity with tobacco/alcohol.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:34pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
You misread my last comment. I was not talking about banning booze\fags.
Can you discuss cannabis without mentioning fags/booze?
Do you need to write copious amounts to get your dubious points across?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:46pm Pedro wrote:
@lewes citizen, thanks for the clarification. I'm clearly against all prohibition, it never worked in the past, and doesn't work at all well today.
I'm happy to condense my posts to make it easier for you to digest and comprehend, and fair enough, I won't mention fags, booze, prescription drugs, legal highs or anything else much more hazardous to human health than cannabis. I just thought that having some perspective on the issue wouldn't be such a bad thing?
If we are making requests about how we conduct our arguments going forward, please can I ask you stop insulting and stereotyping people? Is that fair?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:50pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
Do you have kids? Would you be happy for them to start mixing with drug users and other criminals?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 12:56pm Dopeydave wrote:
As far as I can see people often use Cannabis as a way to relax. If it works for them fine. There do seem to be some people who are already very relaxed who use it to become extremely relaxed. This seems to irritate people who think they are being lazy.
As an extremely laid back chap myself I find no need to smoke, drink or eat relaxing substances but I am quite keen to get a more powerful stimulant than caffeine. This would ( I imagine) make me more normal in my behaviour. Any suggestions for a legal,safe stimulant?
Love to you all xx
On 30 Sep 2016 at 1:28pm Pedro wrote:
@lewes citizen. Yes, I have a son. All drugs (recreational and stuff like aspirins), legal or the illegal stigmatised ones, should be kept out of the hands of children. Simple as that.
When my child is of an age where these things can even be discussed (he is 3), then I would educate him on the risks of ALL substances, that is common sense. I will urge moderation. I'm not going to demonise all drugs or be hypocritical, as this won't help and actually a life without any kind of drug is not always desirable. This includes enjoying a cup of coffee, tea, the occasional cigar, vape of cannabis, glass of wine with a meal, or experimenting with other more benign non-addictive substances - these can all be pleasurable and safe experiences in moderation, and I would go as far as saying they can genuinely enhance life, broaden horizons and create opportunities.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 1:49pm Hoppity wrote:
I wish I could get my hands on some weed to alleviate the pain in my dodgy joints (no pun intended). No one offers to sell me drugs though because I am not young and groovy enough. It is very sad - I wish I was friends with Ben.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:15pm Ben wrote:
I've met the types on here who condemn weed. They have never tried it and never would, in case they get instantly 'hooked' and find themselves soon after on heroin.
They drink alcohol and smoke though, because it's legal therefore it must be alright!.
Weed is far less dangerous to health than alcohol, fact.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:21pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
Doh....there you go again pedro.....alcohol, cigarettes etc
Frankly i am disgusted you use illegal drugs with a 3 year old in the house. Utterly disgusting. I would report you, also I expect you keep your habit a secret from other parents,nursery etc
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:22pm Pedro wrote:
@Ben - i'm afraid that argument isn't permitted on these forums. Apparently providing context and perspective is a terrible argument in favour of cannabis and "two wrongs don't make a right" blah blah blah. Facts tend to get in the way of a good story. Therefore, we must only preach the dangers of it and how its caused the death of millions in this country alone....oh wait, I'm talking about alcohol and tobacco again.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:31pm Pedro wrote:
@Lewes Citizen There YOU go again making assumptions after assumptions about people you know nothing about. You should hear yourself.
I use cannabis with a 3 year old in the house occasionally in evenings when he is upstairs in bed. There is no possibility of secondary smoke being inhaled (besides, I vapourise, rather than smoke) and in many US states doctors are now even administering medical marijuana to children to help with a variety of conditions. If your child was suffering from seizures would you not consider using medical marijuana (if a doctor prescribed it)?
Why should I tell other parents or anyone what I do in private? If I wanted to, I would. Unfortunately, there are enough narrow minded people out there like you, which deters me from being so candid with everyone. Sometimes its impossible to have an adult conversation with certain people, as their heads explode at such "revelations" and judgements are passed without having any knowledge on the matter.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:42pm insane wrote:
What an utter disgrace, he is now going on about prescribing it to children. You deserve the full force of the law and one can only hope the new government will take stronger action in enforcing it.
If ever you need an example of the selfishness, irrresponsibility and stupidity of weed smokers look no further.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:47pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
Disgusting man. Utterly disgusting. I hope the law can track you down via your ip.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 2:52pm Pedro wrote:
@pedro & insane (maybe the same person?)
25 US states have legalised cannabis for medicinal use, which has meant that doctors can legally (and regularly do) prescribe marijuana for patients of any age. This might blow your tiny minds, but this is a reality, and is helping tens of thousands of people with a range of ailments.
My only guilty indulgence in life, is indulging trolls like you, clearly after a rise, rather than a serious debate. Are you a bit lonely or something?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 3:27pm Another disgusted one wrote:
You are always making excuses pedro. Doctors prescribe a lot of nasty drugs for a lot of nasty diseases and conditions, doesn't mean we should be dishing them out for the general public to try and get high on. Really pedro, it's just one excuse after another. Are you taking it for medicinal reasons then? no thought not.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 3:45pm Pedro wrote:
I'm sure if we could get YOUR IP address, it would be the same as a few other "posters" on this thread.
The benefits of marijuana compared to conventional medicine on offer is that it doesn't have a list of side effects as long as Mr Tickles arm. So there are therapies and medication that do help many ailments, but these come with numerous risks, far more than marijuana, and can make patients feel nauseous etc. Cannabis has the opposite effect. I actually have used cannabis for medicinal reasons, for some neck and back pain in the past, and it worked.
Please review this link of a Parkinsons sufferer, and let me know if you would deny this gentleman from self-medicating with cannabis after you watch it :
Watch the video »
On 30 Sep 2016 at 3:50pm Still waiting wrote:
Pedro. Are you a pot head for medicinal reasons??
On 30 Sep 2016 at 4:10pm @still waiting wrote:
Learn to read?
On 30 Sep 2016 at 4:11pm Pedro wrote:
I occasionally vape marijuana in evenings for pleasure and relaxation, and when required to remedy pains in my back and neck which has previously worked very effectively.
If you wish to discuss this sensibly, then long may it continue, as there is no need to return to the ad-hominem attacks.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 5:17pm Lewes Citizen wrote:
Yes m'lud it's for the pain m'lud.....
On 1 Oct 2016 at 1:12am Dave wrote:
Does the Mayor have a view on this I wonder
On 2 Oct 2016 at 2:43am IART wrote:
Biggles is a prick
talk to anyone whom grew up in a catholic drinking culture and you will hear the horrors of drugs and brain washing
addiction to anything is rather sad
why did the good old USA introduce National prohibition of alcohol (1920-33)—the “noble experiment”—was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America.
the so called war on drugs come a close 2nd dude