On Tue 16 Jun at 2:05pm Dreamer wrote:
If the government had listened to national and international advice, they would have cancelled large events late Feb, early March, tracked and traced all people returning from high risk areas (rather than a select few), and only a fairly short, low impact lock down would have been needed. That would have saved the economy and tens of thousands of lives. But Eton boy and Cummings thought they knew better than the rest (just like Trump and Bolsenaro) and now we are reaping the fruits of their ignorance.
So yes, moan about the damage done. But moan to the people actually responsible.
Never forget, we have over 60,000 dead in the UK already and less than 10 percent of the population was was actually infected so dar (don't take my word for it, go to the ONS website and look it up).
On Tue 16 Jun at 2:21pm Tony wrote:
Will you be advocating another lockdown if the Winter flu numbers look bad?
And the dangerously uncertain future of millions certainly should have been considered alongside the potential up front deaths...
On Tue 16 Jun at 2:43pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I think it was fairly evident that a lockdown and the social distancing measures were going to be economically damaging, but that cost would have been weighed up against the overloading of the NHS, and most importantly to the much higher number of excess deaths caused by not doing it. We should have taken steps sooner, but to suggest lockdown has been the main issue in our society and a failure is either a refusal to look at the evidence of how its massively stemmed the virus, OR you simply favour business and economics over peoples lives. Ignorance, either way.
As for advocating another lockdown - not for winter flu. We have a vaccine for the flu. We also are and will be better equipped to avoid a full national lockdown that we had in March-May and certainly less complacement. But certainly, in future, lockdowns and social distancing measures may be flexibly re-introduced to keep the spread and reproduction of Covid19 down where it is. We should be able to learn from the mistakes made so far. The country has to change and adapt - we can't go back to the "good old days". Hopefully though, human behaviour and hygiene has improved dramatically, so its not all doom and gloom. Plus we also now know Britains next PM 4 years in advance - Keir Starmer.
On Tue 16 Jun at 4:12pm Tommy wrote:
Which shops have closed down?
On Wed 17 Jun at 9:10am Dreamer wrote:
Stop being silly Tony. Covid-19 is far more lethal than flu, and you know that. It has already killed more than double the number of flu deaths the UK has seen in the past seasons, despite the relatively low infection numbers.
Not to mention the existence of a vaccine and some form of cross-immunity in the case of flu.
What I would advocate is maintaining adequate distancing measures, making face masks compulsory in public indoor spaces, and putting adequate test and trace measures in place. That can prevent the need for a further lockdown. That is why worldwide it is what is being recommended.
The first parts the government seems hell bent on throwing out the window. And the testing and tracing the government simply doesn't seem able to get running. As a quick guide: countries that have been successful has around 400 negative tests for each positive one. We still have a way to go to reach that. But only once you have those numbers, are you testing enough to really catch all cases, and you need to catch them to trace them.
On Wed 17 Jun at 10:52am Tom Pain wrote:
When I see the Chief scientific advisor to the government say that recorded deaths attributed to the latest pestilence are not necessarily caused by it, I wonder what the figures mean. Nothing to me, they're speculation. Just like the weapons of mass destruction they can be manipulated for political ends, like perhaps smearing a government at home or abroad. I note that Japan has had about 900 deaths without a lockdown or draconian social distancing laws.
You can be sure that the economic damage caused by the hysterical over reaction will not only result in the destruction of thousands of small to medium businesses, and consequent advantage to vulture capitalism, but impoverishment to the NHS necessitating further sell offs.
On Wed 17 Jun at 2:02pm Dreamer wrote:
Thanks for your theory TP (seriously, do something about those initials)
The excess mortality numbers are wonderful for their objectivity. Since March 65,000 more people have died in the UK than normal for the time of year. If your explanation is mass suicide, or some other random event, that is of course a belief you are entitled to. I will stick with Ockham's razor and believe in the simplest explanation: during a pandemic excess deaths were caused by the pandemic.
As to Japan, you raise a perfect example of what I initially said: acting early and putting efficient test and trace in place allowed countries to minimize deaths and damage to the economy. Just like Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, Czechia, Greece,...
Goverment negligence and inaction killed thousands of people and the economy.
On Fri 19 Jun at 11:30am Tom Pain wrote:
Fiery off, allow me to congratulate you on your"coming out" as a initialophobe. Not easy in these days of obsessive conformity and poetical correctness. Think of me as Om Ain, actually I rather prefer it, it has the flavour of the mystic east. Damn that mistakomatic function, why did it change first to fiery? I see you suffer from it too.An aging maiden aunt of mine from Ockham, when I was taking her out in her Bath chair, noticed the village sign~ Laughton village of the buckle. Being a bit of a bluestocking with a mischievous sense of humour, she wrote to her local council to have~Ockham village of the Razor put on the village sign. Sadly the old girl passed away and I've never been to Ockham since to see if her prank was successful.
On Sat 20 Jun at 10:16am Dreamer wrote:
Don't worry TP, I will continue to think of you as just that. TP and you have so much in common. I just thought you might not want to be associated with big roll.
On Sat 20 Jun at 2:44pm Tom Pain wrote:
Wow,toilet humour makes it's comeback at last and in such skillful hands, perhaps you could warn me before you next wake up.
On Sat 20 Jun at 3:57pm Dreamer wrote:
Well, let's be honest... Only the best for you my dear. ;-)
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