On 6 Feb 2009 at 5:39pm Local wrote:
Why is it that if our local cllr is so againt Tesco he owns shares in them?? Perhaps he is making a stand like hugh fernley whittingstall???? Does he also wish for his own channel 4 show to have a rant??
On 6 Feb 2009 at 6:16pm Spongebob wrote:
I bloody well want the Tesco expansion so he's cerainly not speaking on my behalf.....AS USUAL
On 6 Feb 2009 at 8:18pm james wrote:
Perhaps he can make a tv show called who wants to be a celebrity councillor??? I agree spongebob I also want it. There is a saying "don't stand in progress way, for progress sake" and his arguement is it will ruin the progress of the town centre! Anyway merlin I look forward to the tv show!!!!!!
On 6 Feb 2009 at 9:02pm Local wrote:
There seem to be two Locals on this site, and the first one on this thread isn't me.
On 6 Feb 2009 at 9:25pm local2 wrote:
Sorry, one did not realise. I shall continue posting on this thread as local2. However it seems I do not stand alone!
On 6 Feb 2009 at 10:54pm Local3 wrote:
If LDC & various ant-Tesco bods put their thinking caps on they could insist Tesco allow a weekly market on part of the expanded car-park in return for getting planning permission to expand. Since so many people love to go to Tesco's, local traders would be able to sell their produce to them at the market.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 12:10am Spinster Of This Parish wrote:
I do not want the Tesco expansion - it WILL destroy local businesses
On 7 Feb 2009 at 12:43am SHS wrote:
You may be right Spinster but I think local shops are failing simply because they are not offering prospective customers what they want. Regardless of who is right, the Tesco expansion will take the blame off the parking scheme as the destroyer of local businesses. This is one major reason why the application is likely to be approved.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 6:41am Spongebob wrote:
Spinster of the Parish, What local business will be affected ? If anything, it might actually bring people into the town.
Apart from a few big chains, Lewes high street is very specialised and will be unaffected by Tescos selling a few cheap bits of clothing and electrical goods.
The parking scheme and increased risk of flooding will be the death of the high street, not Tescos
On 7 Feb 2009 at 10:00am Local2 wrote:
Again spongebob is the onlyone speaking sense! The businesses in lewes have not moved with the times. Most people work 9-5 and that's the town opening hours so they are not giving the customer what they want. And also please tell me what local business it will actually affect? The only one I could think of was octave! But when I thought about it Tesco will sell chart CDs and octave sell vinal and world music. So again are a specialest shop. Looks like when the town council said it would affect the town they were being rather narrow minded again!!
On 7 Feb 2009 at 12:45pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
They sell a lot of kitchen stuff too, which could well affect Steamer Trading and Bunces; stationery and books, which will take trade from WH Smith and Sussex Stationers; newspapers and magazines - loads of local shops; toiletries and OTC medicines - Boots, Superdrug and all the chemists; gardening stuff - Homebase, Bunces; tvs, printers - Currys, Argos; other electrical stuff & toys - Argos again. Quite a lot really.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 1:32pm Local2 wrote:
Annette you miss read what I said! I was talking about local shops not chain shops like wh smith and Argos! They are also able to control there prices like Tesco and can't be looked at to stop the Tesco application. The town council were worried about our local shops. As for steamer trading I also don't agree as they serve a different class of customer, you can hardly argued that if someone is willing to spend £80 on a toaster Tesco will take there trade away with a 3 Tesco value one???
On 7 Feb 2009 at 1:54pm Spongebob wrote:
Annette, EVERYTHING in your list above is already sold by Tescos and has been for years. How is a Tesco expansion going to affect the above.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 2:38pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
The kitchen electricals are a relatively recent addition, and the hardware range has expanded massively over the years. While Steamer does sell top of the range stuff, it sells cheap basics too, and if you had to go to School Hill for a whisk or a wooden spoon, who knows, you might pop into Sussex Stationers for a book or Octave for a CD while you're out.
I also think you have to take into account the threat to small branches of the national chains. While they're not subject to price competition the way the independents are, they do require a good return on their overheads and if branches don't deliver, they will go, like Next did. Then there will be less to attract people to the high street where the other shops are, and they will lose custom. The likes of WH Smith are vital in that respect.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 2:44pm Local wrote:
I know it's probably heresy - but we're all on the internet - but I buy most of my books and music through the internet. And quite a bit of other stuff too.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 2:53pm Interested wrote:
Me too.I bought just about everything for Christmas off the net,and had everything delivered direct to my many relatives who are scattered all over the country.Made sense to me.I did hear that last Christmas was a record as far as internet shopping went and the Post Office had a hard time keeping up with it all.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 3:02pm local2 wrote:
Annette with that weak arguement you could argue that if Tesco shut shop and locked up there car park then the town would be pritty screwed! Although I agree they sold little non food in 1992 when they opened they have sold there current range for at least 5 years! Tesco is a fast moving business that reacts to customers needs and the shopkeepers of lewes blame them for everything as they have not moved there business forward with the change in shopping patterns. A good example of the current recession is Tesco has launched britans biggest discounter and steamer tradeing has launched..... £100 toaster??? Now is it tescos fault or bad business decisions???
On 7 Feb 2009 at 3:09pm local2 wrote:
Annette with that weak argument you could argue that if Tesco shut shop and locked up there car park then the town would be pretty screwed! Although I agree they sold little non food in 1992 when they opened they have sold there current range for at least 5 years! Tesco is a fast moving business that reacts to customers needs and the shopkeepers of Lewes blame them for everything as they have not moved there business forward with the change in shopping patterns. A good example of the current recession is Tesco has launched Britain's biggest discounter and steamer trading has launched..... £100 toaster??? Now is it Tescos fault or bad business decisions???
On 7 Feb 2009 at 3:25pm Local wrote:
I notice Steamer Trading is ALWAYS packed out. How much do they pay the kids on the till, I wonder. And how much does Bill pay the kids on his tills?
On 7 Feb 2009 at 3:51pm james wrote:
Notice that as this thread began about merlin having shares that none of the normal anti Tesco moaning clan have said anything!! Do the people of lewes not want Tesco or is it just the "I don't have a brain let's ask merlin" lot!!! Again to make it clear I LIVE IN LEWES AND I WANT A BIGGER TESCO!!!
On 7 Feb 2009 at 8:17pm Spongebob wrote:
I don't think it's a case of the "anti Tesco moaning clan" James...they have a right to be against it as much as we're for it.
Im just yet to see a decent arguement why the expansion shouldn't be allowed (and that means justifying the arguement too)
All we keep getting is "it'll have an impact on the high street" but so far, we're yet to see how it'll affect the high street despite asking.
Even though the "antis" are entitled to be against it, i do feel they often moan just for the sake of it (proved by no legitimate arguement)
So Cllr Miller......let's have it with both barrels please.
On 7 Feb 2009 at 8:20pm Spongebob wrote:
PS....it would be nice to see that clown David Quinn on here too. I didn't see him up in arms when carpet right was accepted, so why now ?
On 7 Feb 2009 at 11:10pm Outsider wrote:
Sainsbury's Newhaven has just lodged a planning application to increase by 60%. They want to expand the goods to include domestic appliances, clothes AND want to turn their carpark into a multi storey oe. Bet Tescos are not offering that to help with the parking in Lewes.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 7:31am local2 wrote:
Bet they would if there was any chance the council would pass it! Well merlin here's a problum!!! Turn down Tesco and sainsburys just like asda is only just down the road!! More money leaving the local town!!
On 8 Feb 2009 at 11:20am Lewes Laugher wrote:
Spongebob - One argument is that big companies like Tesco take money out of the town. Their profits go to headquarters and, as you probably know, Tescos are a whizz at avoiding paying taxes, which means PAYErs like most of us are have to pay more to keep things going. Counter to that, though, is where would we shop in Lewes if we didn't go to Tesco for the everyday things we have to have? I think most of us in Lewes answer the question ourselves - we go to Tesco.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 11:54am Spongebob wrote:
We could go on about the tax thing until the year dot. I know of self employed sole traders who do "cash jobs" and where would we be if they declared everything ?
I really don't give a monkeys chuff about how much profit Tescos makes as long as we get the shopping that we want and need at the price that is right for us.
I already go to Asda if i want to buy clothes, can't afford high street prices. It's about time people realised that not everyone that lives in Lewes has an unlimited disposable income and if that means saving a few quid by buying my deodorant in Tesco rather than superdrug or Boots or getting my dinner plates from tescos rather than potts or Steamer trading, than that's what i will do and it's a choice we should all be given.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 1:03pm Local2 wrote:
Tesco have worked with lewes planning dept over the last year on this application and have dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's the plan will undoubtably go to committe where the councillers will say "No" as they are only worried about getting the votes and staying in the job untill next time. But all they will do by saying no is get the anti tesco clans hopes up to just be brought right back down to earth again when Tesco appeal it, this of course will send it up the line to someone who actually has a backbone and the brains to say "Yes" so all the council can actually do is slow it down and then be made to look stupid when it's overturned!
On 8 Feb 2009 at 1:57pm Lewes Laugher wrote:
Hang on a minute Local2, are you saying the majority of people in Lewes don't want Tesco to expand? That's the logic of 'they are only worried about getting the votes'. And if that's the case, why are you so pleased about the decision being overturned on appeal? Isn't that undemocratic?
On 8 Feb 2009 at 2:14pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I wonder if Webby would let us have a poll on the Tesco application. I'd be interested in the result.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 2:33pm Local2 wrote:
Sorry, no that's not what I'm saying. On the whole people like to moan rather than speak in favour of. One would imagine that they would receive more letters against the application because of this. People are more likely to just let the application carry along than spend time writing a letter in favour. If my way of thinking Is correct then every other letter landing on there desks are against tesco. So naturally they assume that the people are against it!! If webby could set up the pole I would also be interested in the result. How about it webby????
On 8 Feb 2009 at 2:52pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:
Even discarding the present economic climate it's unlikely that many local business based in the town centre will be able to expand. To expand to any degree a local business must draw shoppers from out of town, and as we all know the aggressive parking scheme will prevent that happening. There are plenty of other business that are both willing and able to take my money without parking being an issue.
Blame ESCC for being clueless as well as intransigent.
In truth I think that Lewes has got itself in to a position where it has no choice but accept Tescos expansion.
To prevent it (and futuristically others like it) would deprive residents of a modern shopping facility the like of which is already enjoyed by many other towns.
Sorry to be gloomy but it can only be a matter of time before Lewes High Street becomes desolate save for a handful of quirky shops, the rest converted to "much desired" residential property.
There will of course be a continued need for parking attendants to scour the area save any resident dare to park anywhere but their prescribed parking bay.
Indeedy-do a wonderful place to live.
Maybe that's why ESCC have decided to draw stumps and move on?
More a case of abandoning ship!
On 8 Feb 2009 at 5:08pm Lewes Laugher wrote:
I don't think you're right Local2. Perhaps Cllr Gardiner could come on here and tell us how much notice he takes of local opinion when deciding on a planning application.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 6:45pm Merlin Milner wrote:
OK Local2 I assume that you were at the LTC planning meeting or have read the minutes. When my mother died I inherited a small amount of Tesco shares, which I sold. However the dividend (scrip) was in the form of extra shares which I recieved after the shares were sold. So I have tiny amount of shares that are not worth selling. This is what I declared at the meeting.
Tesco's expansion will earn them an extra £5m. It is fair to say that a proportion of that will be taken away from local shops AND multiples within the centre of Lewes. It is the amount of this business that may be taken away versus any net benefit from their expansion that is at the core of the debate. Some believe that Tesco's will give Lewes a net benefit and others, like me, who think that the expansion will harm the balance we currently enjoy. Also do not forget the effect that Aldi and the de-restricted Culverwells site with have upon the centre of Lewes
To me the slight inconvenience of not being able to buy a pair of slacks at 23hrs is offset by the risk that may be inflicted upon local traders, multiples and workers in the centre of the town. I do not want the town to take that risk and be possibly devoid of 'normal' shops and shoppers. I grew up near Stratford upon Avon and saw how that town was ruined in the name of so called progress.
I would enjoy a face to face debate with any of you...Gardeners Arms?
On 8 Feb 2009 at 7:03pm James wrote:
Do not also forget merlin that aldi will not be building in the near future as they no longer want to put the start up offices in. Peter young in planning who is handleing both cases has told me that because they won't put the offices the planning dept has served a stop notice and aldi have said that for the time being they have no plans to continue, did you not wonder why progress had stopped and asked the question??
On 8 Feb 2009 at 7:08pm Alan wrote:
It is also fair to say that alot of us like myself that shop at asda will come back to lewes and Tesco again as we can get all our shopping in one place. I live in malling so the trek to asda is hardly convenient. Tesco getting bigger will make my life easier.
On 8 Feb 2009 at 7:56pm Merlin Milner wrote:
James, I am probably being a bit dim, but what do you mean by start-up offices and what is their significance? I assume that they are awaiting for the Tesco decision.
Alan, fair point, however I go back to my original point; will there be a significant net gain or loss to the centre of Lewes. I do not want us to conduct an irreversable experiment.
A more general question is "what sort of shopping do we want from our town centre"? Again from various threads there an many views some contradictary, ie those that despise lifstyle shops and want 'normal shops' but want Tesco's expanded and do most of their shopping there (or similar).
On 9 Feb 2009 at 8:01am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Alan, if you like to get all your shopping in one place, and find shopping in our (relatively compact) town centre AND the drive to Asda inconvenient, why don't you just move to Hollingbury, rather than wait for Lewes to become like it?
I know we'll never get back to the days when you could buy practically anything you wanted in town, but I really don't want to see us lose any of the useful shops we have, or have more charity shops, "lifestyle" shops and shops converted to residential use. Trade is the lifeblood of any town centre, it will die without it, and we can't afford to lose any.
On 9 Feb 2009 at 8:58am sashimi wrote:
I'm with Merlin on this. Tesco already have 75% of the convenience trade in this town. However responsible Tesco might be, that is already a very unhealthy monopoly situation. To increase it significantly will have a serious effect on the High Street. Add to that the effect of the cretinous parking scheme, the credit crunch and the drift away to internet shopping and what we are looking at is a catastrophe. If multiples are going to rationalise their chains, the Lewes branch will be on the list for the chop. If all that is left is antiques and pound shops who wants to live in Lewes. If there was ever a time for Tesco to expand, this isn't it.
On 9 Feb 2009 at 9:19am Frak wrote:
Would so many people be against an expansion if it was Waitrose wanting to expand, not tesco?
On 9 Feb 2009 at 9:20am also local wrote:
What shops did everyone go into over the weekend? ( 7th and 8th of Feb). I only used tesco.
On 9 Feb 2009 at 10:56am Lewes Laugher wrote:
And what happened to Marks & Spencer coming to town?
On 9 Feb 2009 at 11:16am Spongebob wrote:
And why aren't we so against M&S as we are Tesco ?....surely M&S will be more competition for the existing clothing shops in the high street ??????
On 9 Feb 2009 at 11:32am Slumdog wrote:
Marks and Spencers came up on my Google search for sweatshops....
On 9 Feb 2009 at 1:32pm Mystic Mog wrote:
Tescos are selling jeans in Lewes for £3. Sweatshop made?
On 9 Feb 2009 at 3:12pm SHS wrote:
I'd rather work in a sweatshop than have no work at all. Are these babies' jeans or adult Levis?
On 9 Feb 2009 at 4:26pm Lewes Laugher wrote:
Anyway, there seem to be more places closing than opening in Lewes.