On 11 Oct 2017 at 10:09am Clifford wrote:
Nothing to do with Lewes I know, but is there anything funnier than Hillary Clinton saying about the Weinstein allegations, 'The behavior described by women coming forward cannot be tolerated. Their courage and the support of others is critical in helping to stop this kind of behavior.' That's Hilary, complicit wife of Bill 'I did not have sex with that woman' Clinton. At least Bill hasn't stuck his oar in yet.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 10:20am Me wrote:
Seriously cliford? What else does it say in the Mail?
On 11 Oct 2017 at 10:30am Hot Lips wrote:
Makes me laugh that people are surprised that a Hollywood director was trying to lay every actress he met....i mean that would be totally unheard of
On 11 Oct 2017 at 11:25am Deja Vu wrote:
It's bad because he's in a position of power and is pressuring people into doing things they don't want to do, a direct comparison can be made to Bill Clinton.
But Hot Lips has put it into perspective nicely, I would go further by saying "man involved in 'man manipulates situation to get sex' shocker". Which man isn't guilty of that?
On 11 Oct 2017 at 11:31am Clifford wrote:
Me: funnily enough I got that from the Guardian. Sorry to disappoint you.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 11:56am Pedro wrote:
@ Deja Vu, I assume you're being slightly facetious, but if not, then no, I don't think every man is that way inclined. Certainly not in any exploitative way, or abusing position of power etc. Sadly, some are though, and it looks very much like Harvey Weinstein can be added to the growing list of dirty old desperate Saviles. If I were a betting man, Trump would be another, but I doubt I'd get much of a return on that.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 12:08pm Deja Vu wrote:
Well can I just say you must have lived a very dull life Pedro if you've never tried to chat up a woman (with the ultimate goal of getting her into bed).
Which is what I mean by saying "man manipulates situation to get sex"...
I'm married and I still try to do this at every opportunity with my wife, it's the game that makes life worth living in my opinion.
I am being facetious to compare the situations, but they are different ends of the same scale.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 12:14pm Pedro wrote:
Hmm fair enough. I'm pretty sure its a two-way street, 100% consensual, rather than some form of manipulation though, at least in my case! Women can often have similar short-term goals as the kind of thing you may be suggesting though. I guess it was mainly the use of the word "manipulate" that I don't entirely identify with!
On 11 Oct 2017 at 12:39pm Deja Vu wrote:
It's a game Pedro, every action is designed to get your partner in the mood (ie consent).
Doing things before you're asked, taking the bin out, washing the car, mowing the lawn etc, a little flirt here, a compliment there, being supportive, cooking the dinner, nice bottle of wine, etc. I'm sure I'm pointing out the obvious and you're just being pedantic by pretending to not understand.
At least I hope so, if you really don't understand I can only say you should try it sometime, sometime soon, before your wife runs off.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 12:53pm Pedro wrote:
@ Deja Vu. As a couple, we do plenty of things for each other because we are in love and its an equal partnership, its not for a quick "bunk up". Its certainly not anything I'd consider "manipulative", and is absolutely a two-way thing. Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I think your choice of words is rather crude. I clean the car because I want a clean car, or other "chores" like that because I don't like to live in a chaotic, messy environment, we both do.
Not all men are like you, just as not all men are like me (same applies to women). We're all different, and have different morals, ethics and attitudes (and sex drives). We're certainly not ALL manipulative horn bags just trying to get our end away by doing chores though. If that is who you are, then fair enough, but don't tar everyone with your mindset.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 1:03pm Guy Spencer wrote:
The idea that Hollywood Directors have a 'casting couch' with their productions is of course not new, but the fact that such a wealthy man as Weinstein is being tackled legally is surprising.
Pedro and Deja Vu - get a room.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 1:19pm Deja Vu wrote:
Well obviously I can't speak on behalf of every man, but I will go as far as to say most males I've known in my life do a large amount of "thinking with their trousers", You Sir Pedro might be the exception and if you are good luck to you, but don't pretend that the idea of a man using power to laid is unusual, have you never heard of Droit du seigneur?
On 11 Oct 2017 at 1:38pm Pedro wrote:
I never pretended that some men abuse their power (like Weinstein, and probably Trump) to get women, and abuse women as well (and cover it up because of their position of authority/power) - my first post in this thread pretty much confirms that opinion of mine. I thought we were discussing just "regular" blokes like our good selves though, and our fellow male peers. I was merely saying that "manipulation" is not a word I'd have used, or indeed use as a "tactic". I'm no lothario, but I've not needed to manipulate women to sleep with me.
We should probably not go much further with this (besides there is not much more to say on the matter as we have different mindsets), as the trolls will be out of school soon.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 1:58pm Clifford wrote:
Me wrote: 'Seriously cliford? What else does it say in the Mail?'
By which, Me, we must assume that you disagree with the reference to Bill Clinton and, by implication, that you have no criticism to make of the way he used his powerful position as governor and then President in the past. My team right or wrong, eh? Hillary is well aware of it and must be enjoying the irony of what she says.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 2:20pm Calas Typhon wrote:
Give it up Deja Vu, it's well established knowledge here that Pedro is heavily on the autistic spectrum, trying to get him to understand human interaction is never going to get you anywhere.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 2:42pm Pedro wrote:
@ Calas Typhon, and here come the sniping loony trolls as I predicted. Hiyaaaaaa!! *waves*
On 11 Oct 2017 at 2:53pm Gerty trudie botty wrote:
Pedr0 you are just the weirdest.!
On 11 Oct 2017 at 4:09pm Druv wrote:
Too much interbreeding....
On 11 Oct 2017 at 4:10pm bobobob wrote:
You're right, it's odd how this is an issue people seem to argue about. It's totally unacceptable behavior whatever your politics.
It seems like she's trying to get back in the limelight in past couple of weeks. Hopefully not making a return to politics. Doesn't care about the hypocrisy, just sees an opening and decides this may be her chance. Urgh.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 4:34pm Me wrote:
@cliford. I just don't like this cut a.paste dailymail type of posting. You didn't even make it your own. It's the sorted post brexiteers wrote and it bugs me. You think your clever but you just have to.much spare time.
As for the other post...
On 11 Oct 2017 at 4:40pm Me wrote:
In fact you a just trolling to get a point out about Clintons return to the public eye. Is thar what you disagree with? Prefer the little lady to be gone I bet.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 5:16pm You wrote:
There is a certain irony to the wife of a man who abused his position as "the most powerful man in the world" to have sexual relations with an intern, condemning another man for abusing his position for the same end.
But as she stood by him, she clearly thinks it's a forgivable offence.
On 11 Oct 2017 at 5:27pm Clifford wrote:
This is brilliant:
'20 years ago, I took up a sexual harassment lawsuit on behalf of a young woman—a state employee—who claimed that her boss, a politically powerful man, had arranged for her to meet him in a hotel room, where he then allegedly dropped his pants, propositioned her and invited her to perform oral sex on him.
Despite the fact that this man had a well-known reputation for womanizing and this woman was merely one in a long line of women who had accused the man of groping, propositioning, and pressuring them for sexual favors in the workplace, she was denounced as white trash and subjected to a massive smear campaign by the man’s wife, friends and colleagues (including the leading women’s rights organizations of the day), while he was given lucrative book deals and paid lavish sums for speaking engagements.
William Jefferson Clinton eventually agreed to settle the case and pay Paula Jones $850,000.'
Check it out here »
On 11 Oct 2017 at 5:35pm Me wrote:
@ you. Very we put. Cliford, you are getting a bit to excited by this.....
On 11 Oct 2017 at 10:23pm Cynical wrote:
Let's examine male behaviour as a problem for civilised society. Look round the world.
On 13 Oct 2017 at 9:41am @Cynical wrote:
Let's examine the mentality of the female that gets pregnant to get a council house and claim benefit (prevalent for the last 2-3 decades).
I'm pretty sure both genders have section of their gender they're not proud of...
Let's not examine male behaviour as a problem for civilised society either, feel free to examine past male behaviour throughout history though, I think you'll be amazed at just how civilised the average male is these days!