On 20 Mar 2014 at 3:26pm belladonna wrote:
1. When are the traffic police going to start monitoring the traffic down Cliffe High st ? - it's getting ridiculous that this pedestrianised area has so many cars using it as a cut through. taxis and estate agents, I'm looking at you in particular - I've seen your cars whizzing down there several times without picking up or dropping off.
What's the problem with closing the road off from 10-4 each day and making deliveries outside of that time (as they do in Hastings old town ?)
2. When is the appropriate council going to enforce utilities companies using same brick/cobbles etc to resurface Cliffe High St once they have dug up paving/ roadway. There's a lovely patch of black tarmac been used to infill some digging up of the pavement by the sports shop.
On 20 Mar 2014 at 7:05pm Eeyore wrote:
The water board has done exactly the same as you say in Castle Banks Belladonna. Used black tarmac instead of the paving slabs when digging around a water stop cock. Its obviously cheaper for them, but it stands out and its an eyesore really.
I think more people should complain.
On 20 Mar 2014 at 8:10pm Nevillman wrote:
Definitely like to add weight to your argument about Cliffe High street. It can't be too hard to stop. I think more cars use it now than when it was allowed to drive through in recent times.
On 20 Mar 2014 at 8:17pm Local wrote:
Cliffe High street. It's NOT a pedestrian area. It's a vital road for the shops and flats. It's not all about pedestrians.
Regarding the black Tarmac, I think you'll find, they cannot lay paviors straight down on disturbed earth, it has to settle, else the bricks just become uneven. So Tarmac is used as a temporary seal, then the paviors will be laid later. Some people need to get out more !
On 20 Mar 2014 at 8:25pm Eeyore wrote:
Local I'm not a road layer such as yourself so I wouldn't know about the 'Tarmac' thing. But I can bet it will be the same in six months.
Some people are such w_nkers..
On 20 Mar 2014 at 8:54pm Southover Queen wrote:
Local, actually it IS a pedestrian area. Here's a picture which includes one of the road signs: "pedestrianised area". There is legitimate access from the bridge to the junction with Morris Rd for residents and deliveries but otherwise it's for PEDESTRIANS.
View the picture »
On 20 Mar 2014 at 9:02pm No Pot Pourri wrote:
I suggest that Cliffe High Street is fitted with a camera at each end, like the average speed cameras. If a vehicle takes less than, say, 3 minutes they should be fined, so genuine deliveries etc would be OK.. New Road in Brighton is a similar "pedestrian but not really" area and it is a pain. Taxis are the biggest culprits.
On 20 Mar 2014 at 9:08pm Mr Bean wrote:
if you shut the cliffe off like you said .Them How do i pick my beer up from harveys ect
On 20 Mar 2014 at 9:35pm complainer wrote:
My street has lovely old brick pavements, the water company started installing water meters they dug up the bricks and replaced with messy tarmac, I contacted LDC within days the bricks were reinstated, not perfectly but much better than before.LDC state ignorance is no defence, when in a conservation area these companies must comply. Don't just moan do something. It works!
On 20 Mar 2014 at 11:33pm belladonna wrote:
Local , I think you're talking out of your bottom. If they can lift the paviors to do the work, they can then re-lay them afterwards. Have you ever seen paviors being laid - usually on a tamped down bed of sand/cement. They do not need tarmac 'to settle'. I will contact LDC about the patch, just pure laziness on the part of the utility co.
And it very clearly states on the signs that it is a pedestrianised area. Goodness knows how other towns and cities manage them, but they do. It can't be beyond Lewes, surely??
On 21 Mar 2014 at 1:06am Market St person wrote:
while we are summing up some embarrassing examples of ESCC neglect, just take a moment to be amazed by the collapsing road in Market St. Taxpayers have even paid for a crappy repair that has crumbled away in a couple of months. I hear that people living along the street can't sleep, and buildings are being shaken so much by lorries and buses going over the bumps and dips in the cratered surface that cracks are appearing in people's ceilings.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 8:25am TDA wrote:
If you'd like to see the worst pavements in Lewes just take a walk round the corner from Cliffe High Street and gaze upon the multi-layered, higgledy-piggledy tarmac explosion they've made of Morris Road.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 8:31am ducatipete wrote:
I make deliveries in Cliffe High Street. How the hell do you expect me to operate in restricted hours to keep my customers supplied this goes for all legitimate drivers. Perhaps I can wake everyone if I turn up at midnight. I do think estate agents should walk especially if its raining.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 9:36am The Lewes Mole wrote:
Reading this forum is like being in a constant state of ground hog day!!
On 21 Mar 2014 at 11:12am Earl of De Montfort wrote:
The sign in the image is the one that had to replace the old fashioned 'No Entry' sign thanks to EU ruling. However it seems to be often ignored as see cars going the wrong way down the street.
AFAIK Cliffe traffic is supposed to be restricted from the other way (court car park direction) too now but this seems to be ignored too.
Don't really want to go back to the days of deliveries at 4am like Woolworths used to. Nothing worse than metal cage trolleys rattling down the street at that hour to ruin sleep
On 21 Mar 2014 at 11:16am Trip Advisor wrote:
I agree with complainer. Although ESCC are absolutely useless, if you complain to the right person (usually the Utility Company) then something is likely to be done. Lewes Mole sounds like the sort of person who would be the first person to complain if their granny tripped and fell over a badly repaired pavement, but the last person to have tried to do something about it beforehand.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 11:38am Lewes Mole wrote:
Oh lighten up for gods sake, I was merely making a joke about the fact it was at least the fifth time I have read a thread about Cliffe High Street. No need to get your knickers in a twist.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 12:14pm Phil Connors wrote:
Nice one Molie, I've been on the same loop!
On 21 Mar 2014 at 12:49pm Lewes resident wrote:
Oh dear Trip Advisor, condescending much? Maybe we all have other more pressing concerns in our life than trying to predict when our granny might fall over a pavement slab.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 1:35pm Town Flyer wrote:
I also think the Lewes Mole's Groundhog day comment highly amusing.
If this forum had stickies, unintended repetition wouldn't happen quite so often!
On 21 Mar 2014 at 2:01pm Trip Advisor wrote:
Maybe your grandparent wasn't hospitalised having tripped over a very wonky paving slap sustaining a head injury that contributed to his untimely death. Unfortunately mine was.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 2:10pm Solution wrote:
Lewes Mole and others, If you are SO bored reading about this tedious but persistent problem, then you could of course try and help solve it and we could then talk about something that interests you
On 21 Mar 2014 at 2:13pm Lewes resident wrote:
Well of course I now feel bad and am sorry if I offended.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 2:16pm Memory Lane wrote:
try googling "Charles Hurst " and 'pavement' for a simple example of why we should at least try and keep pavements in reasonable condition.
On 21 Mar 2014 at 2:25pm Anna wrote:
Stop taking it out on other forum members, its LDC's problem and fault, not someone on here merely making a light hearted comment. The state of the roads and pavements in Lewes leave a lot to be desired, don't get me started on the pot holes!!!
On 21 Mar 2014 at 3:48pm Local bod wrote:
just so you know it is not LDC's problem, pavements are the responsibility of ESCC LDC may be able to say something however about the use of materials in a Conservation Area.
I think that when people are 'light hearted' about something that other people are clearly fed up with, they need to take it on the chin when those people don't like being mocked from the sidelines rather than helped.
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On 21 Mar 2014 at 8:35pm Local wrote:
Isn't it amusing to see a no motor access sign at the entrance of A ONE WAY STREET. There certainly is 'no motor access' from that end. Dopey. Clear as day. Notice the parked car is actually going the right way. Pedestrians can walk each way !
On 22 Mar 2014 at 8:02am Xplorer1 wrote:
It's standard practice to make a temporary (usually 6 months) repair with tarmac, to allow the backfilled material to settle before making a permanent repair with appropriate material. And that's where the problem arises: that the utility companies aren't good at coming back, they don't keep the original paviors (or whatever), and ESCC aren't good at checking and chasing. The Friends of Lewes regularly nags ESCC, and monitors high-value locations like Keere St in particular.
If you're particularly concerned about a poor repair, tell ESCC Highways dept via their website (you can attach a picture), and tell FoL, again via their website.
On 22 Mar 2014 at 10:29am Local wrote:
Thank you Xplorer1 for agreeing with me about the settling in.
Re Cliffe High Street, attempting the European style of mixing pedestrians, cyclists and motorists. All I can say is move on and get over it. Visit Holland, but obviously keep your wits about you and stop moaning !
On 23 Mar 2014 at 5:07pm Cliffe Resident wrote:
I live centrally in Cliffe High Street and have for nearly 20 years, it would be detrimental to me personally if I was unable to be able to load up from my house between certain hours, I used to be able to park on the road outside my house. I'd also say as a resident for so long whose noticed all the changes and traffic movements etc, there's a lot less than there used to be vehicular wise 5-6 years ago. If I can compromise by being restricted to loading outside of my house, surely shoppers/users of Cliffe High Street can just keep their eyes up incase of a car/van or lorry!
On 24 Mar 2014 at 10:24am User wrote:
"shoppers/users of Cliffe High Street can just keep their eyes up incase of a car/van or lorry! "
It should, really, be the other way round. Cars and lorries need to go dead slow and be aware of pedestrians, particularly those with children. It makes me very angry when drivers shoot down the street expecting everyone to get out of their way. It also makes me nervous as the father of small children. I've got no problem with people driving down there but they need to have a change in mindset - i.e. the car takes second place to pedestrians, not the other way round.
On 24 Mar 2014 at 10:32am Southover Queen wrote:
Agreed, User. Also no-one is suggesting that residents and local deliveries should not have access at all times, which is what the signs specify. What shouldn't be happening (and does all the time) is that vehicles which don't fit those criteria use Cliffe High St as a shortcut.
On 24 Mar 2014 at 1:04pm Penguin wrote:
A lot of people drive down Cliffe High Street because they can use it as a short cut from the Magistrates Court car park. Getting to the Malling end of town is much quicker that way as you don't need to go right up to the War Memorial and then round the one way system. If the direction was reversed so traffic went the other way, then it wouldn't be a shortcut any more as it would be quicker to go the proper way via Phoenix Causeway. It would meantime still allow delivery vehicles and residents to use the road.