On 28 Dec 2020 at 11:05am Nevillman wrote:
We now have some idea of our relationship with the EU. It seems to mean slightly more difficult trade, restrictions on us traveling to the EU with more border checks and limited time there as well as restrictions on UK citizens working there, constant renegotiations as circumstances change and uncertainty over the future of the UK financial services industry as well as other services. None of this looks like improving my life in any way and in fact the opposite.
Can anyone tell me any benefit of us leaving the EU? If you are about to say sovereignty, please can you also explain what this means and how it might benefit me.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 12:17pm Tom Pain wrote:
Brexs hit is just another divide and distract ploy now, we're all equally locked up. Both options were bad, this is even worse.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 12:51pm David Stanley wrote:
I think you'll find that improving your life was exactly the opposite of what they voted for. People in Lewes are pretty clueless about this as it's such a cosy bubble. It's probably just worth it to see your misery.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 1:58pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I think it's always been a stubborn foolish pride thing leaving the EU. It was never about improving the country, it was a misplaced sense of British exceptionalism. Pity really, as we have ironically now become a joke and taken less seriously as a result....which have economic and social consequences. Still, at least we will get our blue passports and fish for every meal.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 3:21pm SHS wrote:
Regularly shocked at how negative and un-ambitious some people are, and more shocked at how much (usually English-born native) people put down this country. No wonder if the country declines with this attitude. It's often the immigrants that are the most ambitious, optimistic and proud of this country and thankfully they are more welcome now that we have left the E.U. It's not a sin to be patriotic. Every individual can make life better, for themselves, their family, town, country and eventually the world. Don't moan about the real or imagined failure of others, it only lowers the mood of those around you and achieves nothing.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 4:19pm Hyena wrote:
If I lost a quid and found 5p I wouldn’t be celebrating would I !
On 28 Dec 2020 at 5:52pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I predict buyers remorse come Jan 1st. It won't be all its cracked up to be, and shock-horror, Boris Johnson hasn't delivered ultimately what you hoped. Not even "remoaner" tears and despair will offset that sinking feeling you have been conned.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 5:59pm Tom Pain wrote:
So that's what brexs hit was all about. The lockdowns, the Great Reset won't be responsible for the austerity/poverty on its way. It will be British exceptionalism and Brexs hit. The quisling has spoken.
On 28 Dec 2020 at 7:09pm Nevillman wrote:
I'm not sure who you are accusing of being negative, unambitious or unpatriotic SHS or why but I am assuming you think it is a good thing that we have left the EU. I have said what I think are some of the drawbacks of this are and would be interested to know what you think the benefits are.
On 29 Dec 2020 at 9:51am Stephen Watson wrote:
"The Brexit revolutionaries have barely begun. Britain needs to wake up fast."
Read Alistair Campbell's review of 'The Sovereign Individual', co-authored by Jacob Rees-Mogg's dad. It portrays a libertarian future in which governments have been disintegrated, leaving 'Sovereign Individuals' (or as we used to call them, Barons) free of restrictions, and (implicitly worthless) losers left without support, presumably to become serfs or just die in a ditch.
Check it out here »
On 29 Dec 2020 at 10:05am David Stanley wrote:
I read that book during my " libertarian " phase after moving through Conservative and objectivist echo chambers. Once you are outside it you can see how Crowley like their philosophy is.
At heart they are pirates.
On 29 Dec 2020 at 10:59am Tom Pain wrote:
Exactly David and where is the centre of Pirate Island? The Corporation of the City of London, the Crown, not Mrs Windsor she's only the CEO. The City is not a part of the UK or subject to it's laws. It controls Westminster and all the politicians sitting in parliament. If you want any change you won't get it by voting for puppets.
On 29 Dec 2020 at 11:31am Tom Pain wrote:
Alistair Campbell, oh yes he was war criminal Blair's hatchet man who masterminded the dodgy dossier. They still haven't found those weapons of mass destruction have they? Iraq? Millions dead, bombed into the stone age. Yes Campbell's a man you can rely on, a safe pair of hands, you can be sure he's telling the truth. Rees Mogg's dad I know nothing of, but I'm sure Establishment is his middle name. Put him in the same box as Campbell and forget them both. Have a look around you,a phony brexs hit, led by self declared europhile Prime Porker Johnson, is the least of our problems. Have you seen the WEF website, the Great Reset? " I don't possess anything and I'm happy"? There's your serfdom. It's coming at us from both sides.
On 29 Dec 2020 at 12:45pm Nevillman wrote:
A very interesting article Stephen. It is interesting how we have gone from fearing the tyranny of government to fearing the power and influence of individuals and corporations. You can see why these people would not want a strong and united Europe.
On 31 Dec 2020 at 9:34am SHS wrote:
Some benefits of leaving the E.U.:
1. Democracy. We had very little, if any, say in who was in power in Brussels. 'Dictatorship' would be extreme but at times it did seem that way.
2. Greater control over our destiny since we should make and live by laws that are appropriate for our circumstances and in line with our wishes.
3. A fairer and less discriminatory society - already the visa system has been changed so as to not discriminate against non-EU people and the minimum salary has been lowered
4. The ability to support our economy and provide more work for people (regardless of nationality) lliving here - we can subsidise industries when needed and are not compelled to tender out work to all EU states and accept the lowest bid. So trains, ships amd even our lives can be built here.
5. Other benefits and clearly much depends on the fine print of the Brexit 'deal', but the above are the ones that are easiest to put down quickly....
On 31 Dec 2020 at 4:46pm Nevillman wrote:
Thank you for a direct answer SHS. I am glad to know that someone thinks it is a good idea. You won't be surprised to know that I have serious doubts over whether any of your wishes will be realised. I think we will find that while we could at least vote for MEPs and have some control over the EU, we will find an increasing number of people and states over which we have no control are dictating to us. I hope you are right and the benefits do outweigh the disadvantages of leaving I stated earlier. I will get no satisfaction from knowing that I was right and your hopes are not realised when we are living in a completely disunited Kingdom with a wrecked economy and our freedom to live, travel and work in the rest of Europe gone. No doubt many will be blaming remainers.
Happy new year and I genuinely hope you enjoy life out of the EU.
On 31 Dec 2020 at 11:51pm IDM wrote:
I am celebrating our renewal of sovereignty, at midnight. Yes, it happened at midnight Brussells time, Yippee!
On Fri 1 Jan at 11:59pm Tom Pain wrote:
Meanwhile in Lewes time......thousands have tested... sort of undecided.
On Sat 2 Jan at 4:35pm Local99 wrote:
I for one am rather looking forward to no longer paying £x to the EU, and then have to apply to get a small fraction of £x back to spend on certain projects that the EU (not the UK) specified. And think of the money saved on all those 'kin signs that the EU insisted were put up saying that 'they had paid for' said projects!
(I'm sure some cock will pop up to say that the EU knew better than the UK what money should be spent on, but please don't bother.)
On Sat 2 Jan at 5:16pm Hyena wrote:
Yeah just think of all the cash the NHS is going to get now!
On Sat 2 Jan at 6:38pm IDM wrote:
I expect to be shot down for saying this - but I would have left as soon as possible after the referendum. We would all have known where we were, avoiding years of uncertainty and immense cost to all concerned. Just about everyone (but mainly businesses and Government) would have had a clear path forward instead of spending masses on two different scenarios, with about half that spend wasted on the alternative which did not happen.
On Mon 4 Jan at 11:48pm Basil wrote:
What happens is that a section of the prosperous middle class imagine they have abandoned 'narrow nationalism' by taking up what they claim to be 'internationalism' by supporting Euro-nationalism. It is all very much like the idiots who imagined the Soviet Union was an internationalist workers' paradise.
On Tue 5 Jan at 11:32am Green Sleeves wrote:
@basil, except the Soviet Union is/was nothing like the European Union, barring the word "Union".
On Tue 5 Jan at 11:27pm Tom Pain wrote:
And that their "parliament" is almost a duplicate of the Soviet model with its central executive committee.