On 9 Oct 2015 at 7:19pm Can of worms wrote:
Members of one Bonfire society sell merch themed on Bonfire as a whole and are harangued in the street.
While another society markets its programme as a general guide to Lewes Bonfire.
Double standard perhaps?
On 9 Oct 2015 at 8:47pm Do Tell wrote:
Give us some details you bellend
On 9 Oct 2015 at 9:46pm Chap wrote:
Southover selling merchandise in everyone's colours; Cliffe claiming to represent all societies via their programme. Such clever, smart folk. Time they grew up.
On 9 Oct 2015 at 10:00pm Tipex wrote:
Oh god the bonfire tantrums have started...
On 10 Oct 2015 at 8:14am Bob and Jean wrote:
If Cliffe are claiming to represent all the society's, I Imagin that they would donate a percentage of their programme income to the other societies. After all, 'True to each other' as the moto goes. Or they can take all the accident claims that get issued every year. So winners all round.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 8:34am Remember wrote:
I thought that Cliffe had promised last year not to repeat their stunt of claiming to produce a generic "Guide to the All the Events on the Fifth". Their word can obviously not be trusted.
Anyway ... the so called Guide is full of inaccuracies and can't be taken seriously. Ewhurst and Staplecross in Kent? The route of Commercial Square's Wallands procession missing from the map? Hopeless. It should be withdrawn from sale.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 9:31am the 12th of Octember wrote:
Does the Cliff guide tell what date it's on this year?
On 10 Oct 2015 at 9:53am Chav wrote:
@Remember....That really doesn't sound like Cliffe at all. So unlike them to just do as they like and not give a **** about anyone else.
Just can't understand it.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 10:10am Remember wrote:
Isn't the Cliffe's motto "We are the boys who say **** all the rest"?
On 10 Oct 2015 at 10:51am Bob and Jean wrote:
I think of them more akin to Punch and Judy... "That's the way to do it". It's very disappointing that Cliffe think its acceptable to effectively try and rob other societies of a vital fundraising stream. Very underhand in my opinion. Sure, other societies can be mentioned in passing within the context of an article, but to totally rip off section of information such as fire site and procession details, directly taking money away, off of the back of others hard work .... It's not really not in the spirit of things. We're all friends and need one another. Or... Perhaps... their running out of ideas to fill their own programme.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 11:47am Nulli Secundus wrote:
That's Cliffe motto I think.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 12:42pm Can of worms wrote:
@Chap
I'd be fascinated to know what "selling merchandise in everyone's colours" refers to?
On 10 Oct 2015 at 1:14pm Remember wrote:
It refers to Southover selling keyrings in the colours of every other bonfire society in Lewes.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 1:57pm Rruben wrote:
All sounds a bit 'carnival' to my liking
On 10 Oct 2015 at 2:50pm Shifty wrote:
People get a grip! Imagine yourself as a tourist passing through Lewes on a Saturday morning and buying a Cliffe programme. Not knowing a lot about what happens in the town on the 5th, the program gives you a "basic" underlying knowledge of the event! It also states that you should purchase other societies programs in order to help support their night. This is really not a big deal.
A program telling people about other bonfires in the town isn't going to be doing CBS any favours is it? So why is it all so bad? Time you all grew up a bit and acted like adults.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 3:12pm Can of worms wrote:
Oh of course I was forgetting. The Cliffe point of view is the grown up point of view.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 3:12pm Achilles wrote:
I've got some paint drying if anyone wants to come and watch.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 3:15pm Can of worms wrote:
So then.....if the 'Lewes Bonfire' brand can be marketted by one society then it can be by them all. Fair enough?
Glad we sorted that one out.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 3:17pm Ernie wrote:
Lewes Bonfire = Mickey Mouse. Go to Brockham its much better all round
On 10 Oct 2015 at 4:02pm Bob and Jean wrote:
Shifty... Trouble is, it's not being sold as the Cliffe programme but as an all inclusive Guide to Lewes Bonfire. Its just underhand.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 5:55pm real bonfire boy wrote:
Can't believe Cliffe have even stooped to the level of printing other societies photographs without prior permission. Is there anything there idiotic programme secretary won't try? This and the £3 price tag for the theatre programme. Clearly 'the mighty cliffe' has been infiltrated by too many dfls they claim to love to hate who don't quite get bonfire and that it would be nothing without the number of societies Lewes is lucky to have. Looking forward to Cliffe's rebranding for 2016 as DFLBS!
On 10 Oct 2015 at 6:08pm Shifty wrote:
@Bob and Jean, have you actually seen the program? By the sounds of it you haven't. If you have, just try a little trick. Hold it in your hands with the cover facing you and turn it around so your now looking at the back cover.. Oh, look it's now a Cliffe program!
And as for printing other societies photos, you will find the photos belong to the photographer who took said pictures. All photos have permission from said owners to use..
Now please stop using the forum to bitch about our program and go sell your own.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 6:38pm Bob and Jean wrote:
Yep, not bought but have read it. And I know it says Cliffe on the back, but I know of at least 2 separate incidents of it being offered as a bonfire guide. It's the principle I have a problem with.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 6:59pm Bob and Jean wrote:
Yep, not bought but have read it. And I know it says Cliffe on the back, but I know of at least 2 separate incidents of it being offered as a bonfire guide. It's the principle I have a problem with.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 7:09pm Real Bonfire Boy wrote:
Not true Shifty. I know of a society photographer that has had a picture printed with no permission or credit.....Think they call it plagiarism!
On 10 Oct 2015 at 10:46pm Remember wrote:
Some of the photos in the Cliffe "User Guide" are all of ten years old, not because they record significant Fifths of the past, but because they don't seem to have the co-operation of the current crop of photographers. They have had to resort to content scraping from the more elderly reaches of the internet where lurk some generic pics that have been given a creative commons licence for anyone to use.
On 10 Oct 2015 at 11:08pm Commercial lass wrote:
Are southover really selling key rings in other bonfire docs colours ? That's just RUDE!
Have they worked out their route yet ? And found a fire site ? Hahaha
On 10 Oct 2015 at 11:10pm Sh1fty wrote:
Bob and Jean, thanks for saying what we've all been thinking. Shifty, you're in the wrong and you know it. May the harveys poison you in your sleep, for you have wronged Lewes bonfire. Shame sir Keith is not still around to deal with whelps IN CBS.
On 11 Oct 2015 at 8:49am Shifty wrote:
so you now own the bloody rights to the town. No one else can explain to others what actually goes on in the small sleepy town of Lewes once a year? So we explain to people that other societies have displays, March a different route and some even look like bumble bees. It also state in said programme that you should support the other societies by buying their program. I bet your bottom dollar that your program doesn't say that, because you are as self centred as your making CBS out to be. Time to put your toys back in your pram, go out sell your program and put on a display to make the town proud to uphold this magnificent event and keep history alive, and stop being a nob! Stop trying to make all us bonfire people sound selfish and childish because most of us really are not. No laws have been broken and no one has got hurt.
On 11 Oct 2015 at 9:19am Remember wrote:
Yes, but ... promises made by the Cliffe Bonfire Society last year to the Bonfire Council that there would be no repetition of the Lewes Bonfire Night User Guide have been broken.
Complaining about that isn't "being a nob".
On 11 Oct 2015 at 9:31am Bob and Jean wrote:
Ok... What's been done is done. Let's get on with the season and enjoy the Fifth. I'm sure the Bonfire societies are more then capable of sorting this out, and I'm sure the Cliffe will make note of others disappointment over the whole incident and won't repeat it next year. It'll just causes hostility between friends. I'm sure Cliffe respect kindred society friendship more then their guide.
On 11 Oct 2015 at 11:02am Supertramp wrote:
Have a look at their song "bloody well right"
On 11 Oct 2015 at 12:31pm Can of worms wrote:
Seems to me its CBS who feel they own the rights to the town. Ironic seeing as they might as well be renamed the 'Cliffe Tab Society'. That's all they are good for nowadays.
On 11 Oct 2015 at 12:32pm 8 miles from home wrote:
Who's selling the Bowler Hats, Umbrellas and Orange Sashes?
On 11 Oct 2015 at 1:09pm Bang wrote:
8 miles from home what the hell has that got to do with selling bonfire programmes .
On 11 Oct 2015 at 5:42pm Steam Punk'd wrote:
Even that is very poor nowadays, Can of Worms.
On 11 Oct 2015 at 5:49pm Guido wrote:
And doesn't this thread just go to show why Lewes is such a wonderful place? Small town gripes.