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On Sun 24 Nov at 11:56pm Tom Pain wrote:
Webbo, you have your beliefs as we all do, but that stringer above the forum goes into the realm of a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. People may object to your political bias but who cares,you have the power and you will exercise it. I have lost what little faith I had in your responsibility and call for your dismissal as a regulator on the basis of your inability to exercise control of your political bias.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 12:10am webbo wrote:
If it said ĎIf you want the Tories to stay in Lewes vote Toryí would that have been ok for you?
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On Mon 25 Nov at 7:07am Hyena wrote:
Tom, youíre turning into Mary Whitehouse. Donít use this forum then.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 9:18am Nevillman wrote:
Tom. So you are saying that webbo putting a statement that we have two choices at the election, Tories or Libdem, is the kind of statement you would get on the forum in a totalitarian fascist dictatorship?
Firstly, even Tories and the vast majority of people in the constituency would probably say that the statement was factually correct. If you disagree please explain which other party has got a realistic chance of beating the Tories.
Secondly, as a statement of fact, webbos statement is not politically biased. I accept that some may see an implied bias but he's not shouting it at you at the point of a gun.
Thirdly, from the fact that any number of outrageous political comments are not censored by webbo there is no evidence that he does exercise his political bias. Have you or anyone else ever had a comment censored on this site on any grounds but decency? This is a lot more than can be said about the Lewes Facebook site by the way.
Fourthly, totalitarian fascist dictatorship is a confusing tautology and I think you mean authoritarian state like North Korea appears to be. Do you really mean that it is the kind of line you would see in North Korea?
Please ignore hyena Tom. I would miss your moronic statements but just think about what you are saying a little more carefully, particularly if you are trying to get someone to lose their job.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 9:36am pickle wrote:
Iím with Tom to a point, I think the forum itself should be impartial. I also find it perplexing that people are ignorant to how Lewes is a conservative majority when it has been since 1874 with the only interruption being a brief 13 year stint for Norman Baker. People are intelligent enough to work out who they need to vote for if they want to do so tactically, I like many donít want the conservatives in power but as a reluctant Lib Dem voter, moves like yours put me off.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 11:31am RussianRuble wrote:
I'm sure it'll be removed when they've read the CAP exec's rules around political advertising.
Or perhaps they've got really deep pockets and are happy to pay the fine?
Regardless, there aren't enough stupid people to vote for the Lib Dems. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 1:01pm Local99 wrote:
Why put it there in the first place?
Fine if there are political threads, but there's no need to allow it to spread beyond where it's elective.
Go on, webbo, remove it and start your own thread instead.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 2:42pm Horseman7 wrote:
It's Webbo's forum. He can do with it as he wishes.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 2:49pm Local99 wrote:
A bit of consideration for the people he wants to use it wouldn't go amiss though
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On Mon 25 Nov at 2:56pm Sleeveless wrote:
It has been there since early November - have you only just noticed it?
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On Mon 25 Nov at 5:35pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Is webbo under any obligation, like the BBC are for example, to be politically impartial? Seems highly unlikely to me.

Tom Pain is the indignant and sensitive type though, bouncing from one conspiracy to another. He's like the forums
version of Alex Jones (the infowars creep, not The One Show presenter). Just don't get him started on 5g.
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On Mon 25 Nov at 9:03pm Local99 wrote:
sleeveless - I usually go straight to a particular thread from my bookmarks
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On Mon 25 Nov at 9:53pm Tom Pain wrote:
He's already started on 5g,greenwaste. Just as 5g has started on the environment, how many thousand trees culled in Sheffield already? While I'm at it greenie if you want to call me a creep just say it, your method of doing it by inference is.. er.. creepy yes that's the word. Why would you suppose I'm a conservative webbo,between ourselves, I'd rather be a lib Dem...just. There is a recent controversy over the conservatives calling their website a fact check,when it is their own propaganda operation. I think this is a similar case. If this is webbo' s website it should be called that, not the Lewes forum. Anyway I appreciate your posting my criticism on your site and applaud your disinterestedness. I don't know about tautology Nev,is it the study of teaching? or perhaps meanness?
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On Mon 25 Nov at 11:28pm Nevillman wrote:
I notice that you ignore the rest of my post tom. I could tell you what tautology means but I think it would be better if you did what I do when someone says something I don't understand or want to fact check and look it up.
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On Tue 26 Nov at 10:48am Basil wrote:
I'd no more take political advice from Webbo than I would take juggling advice from my chauffeur.
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On Tue 26 Nov at 1:42pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Aww, basil refers to his mum as his chauffeur. Cute.
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On Tue 26 Nov at 2:44pm Hyena wrote:
You got a tandem then Basil.
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On Wed 27 Nov at 12:55am Tom Pain wrote:
You're priceless nev, herewith follow answers or at least moronic statements to your questions. But first I must say that your keyboard-side manner leaves a little to be desired. Where I come from calling someone a moron is considered a touch on the impolite side,call me old fashioned but it doesn't seem conducive to civilised conversation. It must make it difficult to find servants to obey your peremptory commands as you routinely insult them. I'm guessing that Nevil Manor has a high staff turnover. About webbo's job; is it full time? Is it paid for from the public purse? Is he fulfilling the demands of the job description? Is providing propaganda for a political party a part of said description? Is he a member of your family or a close friend? Is he in fact,you? I shall await your reply on my desktop by 9.30 tomorrow morning and answer further questions if I am satisfied with your compliance. By the way, sit up straight when you're talking.
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On Wed 27 Nov at 9:26am David Stanley wrote:
TomPain, you sound rather confused. This forum is the property of Webbo and he can do what he likes. You seem to take your opinions very seriously but I wonder if they are treated with great respect anywhere else? Do you find people beating a path to your door for your reaction to the latest developments in the news? If not then can't you see how odd you sound berating someone who is willing to put up with you?
It's just entertainment isn't it?
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On Wed 27 Nov at 10:50am Nevillman wrote:
Tom. I notice that once again you ignore my comments and questions about whether webbo's statement can really be equated with something from an authoritarian regime. I agree with you that calling someone a moron is impolite. I accused you of making moronic statements. As it happens I think you are a moron and as I have been accused of being impolite already, now feel at liberty to say so. Moronic statements and ignoring the points made is also not conducive to civilised conversation.
The level of staff turnover at nevill manor is acceptable. There are no vacancies at present but if anything suitable for you comes up I will let you know.
I don't know what webbo's job description says but I would prefer him to have the job over you.
I do know you love a conspiracy theory so I will strenuously deny being webbo in the confident belief that this will confirm fully in your mind that I am him.
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On Wed 27 Nov at 1:17pm Sleeveless wrote:
I wonder if Webbo received any payment or inducement to display the line?
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On Wed 27 Nov at 3:19pm ar10642 wrote:
Webbo has no obligation to be politically impartial. He's not the BBC. Other forums are available if you can't handle a gentle reminder about tactical voting in one of the few marginal seats in Sussex.
I thought Tory voters were the ones who were supposed to have a thick skin and others were supposed to be the "snowflakes"? Or is that only when you're seeing things you want to see?
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On Wed 27 Nov at 4:38pm Sleeveless wrote:
er, what has tactical voting got to do with it? Surely it is a straight fight between Lib Dem and Conservative.
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On Wed 27 Nov at 6:56pm Hyena wrote:
Are you serious?
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On Thu 28 Nov at 8:40pm Local99 wrote:
People in Lewes with their precious Greens posters and 'LibDems Winning Here' lies seem to forget that the constituency isn't just Lewes town.....
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On Thu 28 Nov at 10:27pm Tom Pain wrote:
Nev I don't ignore your comments, the forum ignores my replies. Somehow they just don't appear.
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On Fri 29 Nov at 6:31am Hyena wrote:
Are you 99 Local or an ice cream?
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On Fri 29 Nov at 9:40pm Tom Pain wrote:
I was wondering when asking a question became a conspiracy theory, Nev? So I thought; why not ask a question about these theories? There doesn't seem to be much traffic on the Liberal unDemocrasbtic Supporters forum so how about a quiz? Who said ------"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country..... If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it.". Prizes for correct answers are being considered.
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On Sat 30 Nov at 12:13am David Stanley wrote:
Freud's son in law, Edward Bernays I believe!
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On Sat 30 Nov at 8:34am Hyena wrote:
I thought that was Dominic Cummings .
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On Sat 30 Nov at 1:00pm Nevillman wrote:
You are correct that asking a question does not make one a conspiracy theorist Tom. I base my assessment of you as a conspiracy theorist on numerous posts on here. I like your quote and in the current era of mass media, control of the media and corrupt politicians it is very pertinent. Unless you are suggesting that webbo's statement is an example of it, which it certainly is not, then again I don't see it's relevance to this post or an answer to my questions and comments.
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On Sat 30 Nov at 1:01pm David Stanley wrote:
I think Adam Curtis brought him to a wider audience but he was very influential in advertising and propaganda....but I repeat myself.
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On Sat 30 Nov at 7:05pm Tom Pain wrote:
Foiled again. I was hoping for all sorts of mischief but....right first time. As I didn't have time to consider the prize the offer is void. Check the extremely small print! As for answers Nev- see above. Perhaps you will have more luck with answering one of mine. What conspiracy theories of mine do you refer to? As to your last point I can only repeat lines 1 to 3 of my last post. I got a reprint of Propaganda and it's worth a read although my copy had so many misprints it was awful. It's probably on line which would be a better bet and free. Cummings is the latest evil master mind and I think he's there to deflect some negative attention from Bozza; a new Campbell. Unfortunately I haven't seen any of Curtis' work.
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On Sun 1 Dec at 10:39am Nevillman wrote:
Tom. As I do like to see this forum as a genuine exchange of ideas,I try to understand what point someone is trying to make and then react to it if I have a view on it. I spend a lot of time trying to understand your points and having re-read lines 1 to 3 on your penultimate post several times can find nothing there that in any way responds to my post.
Wikipedia defines a conspiracy theory as an explanation of a situation or events that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful people when a more simple explanation is available. I accept that this can at times be a subjective judgement and don't doubt you seriously think that I am the deluded one but I would put forward your views on climate change, the running of the economy, the political elite, the role of Brussels in our waste management as examples of your posts which spring to mind and suggest to me you are taken in by conspiracy theories.
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On Sun 1 Dec at 9:25pm Tom Pain wrote:
Climate change - explain the medieval warm period and the 17 century mini Ice age with regard to anthropogenic activity. The economy- is it merely a theory that people conspire together to swindle money? If so I have a very good business proposition to offer you! It's no secret that waste management is controlled by the EU. There are political elites everywhere , that's no theory. If you liked the quotation and thought it pertinent what do you make of it? Control the masses without their knowing about it ? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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On Mon 2 Dec at 11:10am Nevillman wrote:
I'm not going to discuss your particular theories here and now Tom. You can choose to believe any fruit cakes you wish and nothing I say will dissuade you. Start a separate thread if you wish and see if I bite. The Bernays quote points out how easily people can be manipulated and I agree with it. Webbo's quote at the top is not an example of it.
 
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On Mon 2 Dec at 11:05pm Tom Pain wrote:
I never thought it was at the time but I'm beginning to now! I didn't notice it till someone pointed it out - it's grey in a world of blue and orange. That's how subliminals work. Probably it's coincidental,but it works.


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