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On 9 Feb 2017 at 8:27am Celebrate Brexit wrote:
With Parliament`s abject and nauseating submission, nothing can now stop the catastrophe of Brexit. Brexit droogs are whooping up and down the land and so I challenge you to write and celebratory song for this glorious day
My heart shall sing
My spirit leapt
We kicked the Poles
Out of Sports Direct
A people, proud
Now we are free
To kiss Trumps arse
…whilst on our knee
Free to be small
Free to be poor
So pull up the drawbridge
And Lock up the door
Lets bring back hanging
Grammars and marriage
No more will those graduates
Sneer and disparage
Who cares if every one
Has to be thrifty
We `re back
We`ve won
Its 1950
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 9:22am The Greek wrote:
Haha excellent. Let's go back to the days of 1973 when our economy was a basket-case and we saw the success of the EEC. People have short memories.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 9:37am anon wrote:
brexit = doom.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 9:45am John Stockdale wrote:
Thanks, CB. Yes, it's a bit like the euphoria as the Great Powers stumbled into the Great War, each believing they were doing the honourable thing and that 'God on our side'. Here's a link to the voting list. Only 114 'representatives' who stood by commonsense and their opinions. Good to see the names of Caroline Lucas, Peter Kyle and, of course, Ken Clarke. I hope the House of Lords have the guts to at least amend the Bill and risk oblivion. If they aren't what's the point of them?

Check it out here »
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 9:54am Tom Pain wrote:
Well Greek, it's excellent what the EU has done for Greece isn't it? I suppose that's what you want them to do here.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:10am Daz wrote:
now we get rid of the forigners
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:13am Dexter wrote:
Spot on Tom. The Greek economy is exactly what happens when a government is compliant with the rich in making tax avoidance a national past time. Lessons to learn here in Britain, with or without the EU.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:18am Newms wrote:
Greece can leave the EU at any time . In fact the problem with the Greek economy do not come form its International class which has been part of Greek life since time immemorial . the problem is the far left governments of the 80s which destroyed a promising post war economy
If the grim new Fascist movement succeeds in destroying the EU ( and let us pray it does not ) things will get very much worse for the Greeks and everyone else
Well said John Stockdale what indeed is the point of any of it if at this time half the country has no representation whatsoever-

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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:36am Vicky wrote:
We once ruled 75% of this world and we didn't need inbred yanks or cheese eating surrender monkeys, leather shorted sausage eaters and oily letharios to achieve this. GREAT BRITAIN. RULE BRITANNIA.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:46am Tom Pain wrote:
Being that whatever political party runs the government only gets about half the votes of the entire electorate,half the population is always unrepresented, your statement is utterly meaningless.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 11:27am Local wrote:
Brexit and the Great War. Some perspective, please, Mr Stockdale...
And what happened to accepting other people's views, rather than immediately labelling them as the opposite of common sense? Oh, sorry – you're a wannabee play-at-being-a-politician, aren't you?
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 11:58am Mandy 8 wrote:
Half the electorate Tom Pain? Our current bunch of Tory overlords barely scraped 35% and Teresa May was never voted for by anyone. In all his years of local politicking I suspect John Stockdale has never polled more than 20% of the available votes yet he has merrily sat on various councils representing our interests. The whole concept of "Only" just over half the country holding sway over the rest is completely laughable as we're always governed by a party with significantly less than half the available votes in the contest. Then again, with Paul Newman apparently being the principal Remain cheerleader here and now the voice of support for the LibDems locally, one could never accuse either group of collective rational thought.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 12:28pm Bad Suicidal wrote:
I'd really like to here Pedro's thoughts on this..might help me
 
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 12:34pm Newms wrote:
Why so mean Mandy - I`m one of the losers ( as usual ) !
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 12:49pm Clifford wrote:
The Greek wrote: 'Let's go back to the days of 1973 when our economy was a basket-case and we saw the success of the EEC.'

Are you really sure about that The Greek. Don't you think it may have been the oil price rises in the summer of 1973 that started the trouble? And are you really saying you think the Tories and their Lib Dem poodles have made a great success of the economy since 2010? Finally, you know don't you thay most of the EU - and particularly the Eurozone - is in deep trouble?
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 12:52pm Clifford wrote:
John Stockdale wrote: 'I hope the House of Lords have the guts to at least amend the Bill and risk oblivion.'

Democracy in action, eh John? You urge the unelected cronies in the Lords to defy the wishes of a majority in the referendum? Lloyd George would be turning in his grave. Unfortunately it's something we've come to expect from Europhiles - keep voting till you give the result Goldman Sachs wants.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 1:16pm Alec wrote:
@Greek perhaps you should actually do some research before you spout newmanesque lies.
'In the 1950s Western Europe had a growth rate of 3.5 per cent; in the 1960s, it was 4.5 per cent. But in 1959, when Harold Macmillan took office, the real annual growth rate of British GDP, according to the Office of National Statistics, was almost 6 per cent. It was again almost 6 per cent when de Gaulle vetoed our first application to join the EEC in 1963.
In 1973, when we entered the EEC, our annual national growth rate in real terms was a record 7.4 per cent. The present Chancellor would die for such figures. '
So the economic basket-case argument doesn’t work.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 1:17pm The Greek wrote:
What the EU has done to Greece is immoral and a further indictment of capitalism and one of my largest bug bears with the EU. However we aren't Greece.
 
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 1:18pm The Greek wrote:
Apologies, I'll concede this one. Clifford I'm pretty sure we read from the same hymn sheet but fall out on the EU
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 1:35pm Really! wrote:
The thing is Vicky, we don't rule very much of the world at all nowadays, and never will again. If you really think that is something to do with the EU, and that by leaving, the British empire will magically come back, then you really need some education.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:15pm Nibbles wrote:
I'm sure those former colonies that we subjugated and oppressed for centuries will be desperate to do extra-special trade deals with us. Thats the stategy right? Trade deals with the commonwealth and Trumps protectionist USA?
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:24pm Newms wrote:

he oil price rises in the summer of 1973 that started the trouble? - said Clifford
Hardly our economy had been in a slow motion car crash since the war. Oils Prices affected the whole of Europe of course but we were the sick man, we had 25% inflation, unemployment joke state industries making dire products no-one wanted.
The “ Go for growth “ period was achieved by borrowing and allowing the money supply to expand which was gave the UK economy endemic galloping inflation through the seventies
This was not suffered by Germany which had enjoyed real growth .There is a reason people talked about the German economic miracle and the “sick man of Europe”
Alex I `m not sure what you are saying , is that we should have persisted with Callaghan, militant unions Nationalised industries and the state planned economy that , at the time , certainly , was widely perceived to have been a disaster ?
It’s an interesting view, if that what you are saying …..Unique perhaps
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:25pm Walter Weekly wrote:
I and millions like me voted Brexit for the 350 million pounds a week to be put into NHS it really needs it.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:36pm anon wrote:
brexit is one big con and a lie.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:49pm anon wrote:
when you tell the truth on this stupid site people dont like it ,seems to me people in lewes like to hear lies .there so delusional .
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 2:55pm Alec wrote:
Newman: 'our economy had been in a slow motion car crash since the war.'
The figures I posted show this was not the case. As for the 'sick man of Europe' a label given to us AFTER we joined - where was the economic miracle? Or was Tony Benn correct in stating that membership would result in the complete destruction of our heavy industries which in turn led to industrial strife.
It's not an economic project but a political one - why is it remainers never seem able to grasp this. I would be interested to know why they need an army, flag and national anthem if it's only about economics.
New research has predicted brexit will be a mere blip - PwC predicts UK will outperform US, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan by 2050
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 4:24pm Chester Packov-Lyze wrote:
@Clifford - Is it possible for anything you post not to contain the words Goldman and Sachs ? Just asking
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 4:35pm Splifford wrote:
Goldman Sachs the NWO and the Giant Lizards that live in the centre of the earth,and the Elders of Zion,don t forget them.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 5:05pm Pedro wrote:
@ splifford - I won't join in on your trolling of Clifford, but your username is mildly amusing.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 6:40pm Mark wrote:
@Newms (the man who struggles to spell his own name) Germany galloped ahead of Britain in the post war period because of the Marshall Plan. Despite this, it managed to sustain phenomenonal economy growth for 3 decades while it was a socialist country. We built up the best health system in the world. We had housing for all. We had a safety net that meant that people could walk city centres without seeing beggars. The Opec crisis and abandonement of the gold standard ended all of that. You've only got to image search Google for "gdp growth UK 1945-2016" to see it in black and white.
 
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 8:38pm Newms wrote:
Mark - The largest recipient of help from the Marshall plan was the UK and I think anyone who wishes to understand statistics might like to write a short essay on why you would not include 1945 on your x axis of any meaningful chart.
Which of our great Nationalised industries did you wish to use as an example of success then ?
Shipping
Motor
Coal
Steel
Which? Did you know that manufacturing output increased under Thatcher ?
 
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 9:38pm Tony pollybee wrote:
Hey Remainers , turn on BBC2 , you'll love it.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:01pm Tony pollybee wrote:
So the programme lasted an hour and trade wasn't mentioned once.
Looks to me like we have a great deal to thank the thick and the old for.
Remember no one voted for a European Super State with an army.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:22pm Mark wrote:
You're just such a Kn#b Paul. West Germany was the major benefactor from the Marshall Plan. Look it up. Try Wikipedia for a start. I don't have the energy to argue with someone who just argues for the sake of it.
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 10:32pm The people wrote:
Must agree with Mark......
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On 9 Feb 2017 at 11:09pm Newms wrote:

Wikipedia Marshall Plan .........
......the largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some 18 European countries received Plan benefits.[4] Although offered participation, the Soviet Union refused Plan benefits, and also blocked benefits to Eastern Bloc countries, such as East Germany and Poland. The United States provided similar aid programs in Asia, but they were not called "Marshall Plan".........

Night night nurse
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On 10 Feb 2017 at 5:56am Mark wrote:
Hmm.... It seems that I should be doing more research
 
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On 10 Feb 2017 at 6:06am Mark wrote:
But on the other hand, a few percentage points this way or that regarding the Marshall Plan is a fairly insignificant issue.


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'Reclaim the streets' Tom? You jest. The same procession year after year on one day, the same relentless brainless 'patriotism'... more
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