On 11 Jun 2017 at 8:25am Funny Isn't It wrote:
Last week there were certain people on here proclaiming this election would be the end of the Labour Party for a generation. It's all gone quiet over there!
On 11 Jun 2017 at 8:48am Tory wrote:
They are still a very very long way off ever becoming a government....May had a terrible campaign but who is still in No. 10??? Haha
On 11 Jun 2017 at 8:51am Big man wrote:
Why with the dick head of a leader they have labour will all ways be runners up.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 10:00am Haha very funny wrote:
May had a disaster of a campaign
Labour relied on no life experience students thinking jabout nothing except free university
Labour still sixty odd seats short
Labour still won though, right?
On 11 Jun 2017 at 10:03am Mark wrote:
Still a few cavemen about. Thumping their chests. The Tory Party, supported by the hedge fund managers and a lot of... err... rather basic folk for whom the penny hasn't quite dropped yet.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 12:12pm Dropped Penny wrote:
Mark, I guess you still live with your mum
On 11 Jun 2017 at 12:39pm Pedro wrote:
@ hahaveryfunny - why shouldn't "no life experience" students have any say in their future? Everyone else does. You were probably from an era when there were no tuition fees at all, so seems unfair to be so flippant about it. And although Blairs Labour party introduced tuition fees, it was the nasty party and the coalition who ramped them up to £9k per year (and rising) as it is today.
Given that our students (at school or university) are the future of this country, it seems foolish to be so dismissive of them.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 1:14pm Cynic wrote:
Tories getting weaker by the day. Labour getting stronger all the time. This DUP debacle will be the knockout blow. Labour to be in power within months.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 1:14pm Newms wrote:
Labour had a fantastic result in Hove where the candidate ran a 'despite Corbyn' campaign as did a great many Labour MPs . The truth is that Corbyn did re-energise the Labour Party, reconnect its disaffected left constituency and draw in a lot of activists .
Labour also benefitted , however from remain sentiment , continued cuts low wages and a dismal outlook after years in office .
I believe if L:abour can reform an alliance between moderate Social Democrats and Socialists then it will sweep the Conservative Party away .
On 11 Jun 2017 at 2:24pm Corbynista wrote:
Well said Paul.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 2:29pm Wtf wrote:
Paul=bitterness+rejection
On 11 Jun 2017 at 2:45pm oink oink wrote:
"I believe if L:abour can reform an alliance between moderate Social Democrats and Socialists then it will sweep the Conservative Party away" .
Watch out Paul,
Squadron of pigs overhead!
On 11 Jun 2017 at 3:42pm jones wrote:
Newms and the lib dems brain-dead campaign to reject the referendum was soundly trounced by the electorate. McDonnell this morning has said Labour are committed to leaving the single market as doing otherwise would not be honouring the referendum; they get more electable by the minute.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 3:51pm Newms wrote:
The hard left have always hated the EU but the hard left are not the only part of Labour support either in the country or in the PLP.
As we saw in Lewes UKIP voters knew perfectly well which Party was standing for hard Brexit and that Party made it quite clear they needed a mandate for it
They did not get it and now they should respect that democratic decision and make an offer to the 48%. Labour have repeatedly said they prioritise jobs over immgration and leaving the single market can mean many things ..like not leaving it ..much
On 11 Jun 2017 at 5:34pm Dr Jones wrote:
Labour and the left have always been pro EU, and internationalist. Conservatives have always been divided on the EU. Look at Labours old manifests, when Neil Kinnock led the party they were pro EU. Don't forget May called the election to gain a bigger majority, she failed and needs to step down. Why did May want a bigger majority, could it be that whatever deal negotiated over brexit could be rushed through uncontested, and the opposition would not be able to block the conservatives? May also forgot there are more issues in this country that need to resolved. Labour engaged better than the conservatives during the campaign with voters as they addressed nhs workers pay, minimum wage, schools, and addressing the imbalance of the rich and the poor in society. In my opinion both parties really need to start engaging with voters and deal with the real issues that affect us all.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 6:49pm jones wrote:
No they have always been very divided on europe with the 1983 manifesto calling for withdrawal from the eec they changed to pro EU when Kinnock came along and began dumping socialism and the hard left from the party ending with the pro EU Blairites.
On 11 Jun 2017 at 7:03pm confused wrote:
Tony Benn was against the EU I think as is Dennis Skinner
On 11 Jun 2017 at 7:13pm Cheesy wrote:
Eu wee youuu wee you
On 12 Jun 2017 at 1:24am wrote:
The problem with the Tory campaign was that it can no longer rely on the traditional media outlets. Of course, Tories can still rely on the traditional media outlets to support them, but they’re becoming increasingly irrelevant to today’s voters - newspapers no longer have control over the electorate’s decision making.
I think this is what’s being referred to above – that younger people are being appealed to via social media, but they’re not a core Tory demographic. They simply haven’t seen the papers, or watched TV, if they’re being swayed, they’re being swayed by what their peers think and ‘share’.
One has to suspect that Theresa May was aware of this problem, which is why she’s planning to introduce legislation outlawing websites that aren’t sanctioned by her government. That doesn’t necessarily mean she’s banning Facebook, but plenty of sites that aren’t Tory sympathetic will be - so we won’t see those shared links any more.
Another point worth making, is that tuition fees were actually introduced by a Tory prime minister – Tony “Margaret Thatcher was Britain’s greatest ever PM” Blair.
I don’t think it’s necessary to apologise for, or understate his role in the rise of neo-conservativism over the last few decades. We were all duped by a careerist who saw the Labour Party as an easier ladder than the impenetrable Tory OB network.
On 12 Jun 2017 at 7:07am Chester Packov-Lyze wrote:
What McDonnell said : "We want a partnership with Europe, we want an agreement that maximises our access to the single market, comes to an arrangement on immigration, continues the security cooperation we already have with Euro". Not exactly anti-EU is it ?
On 12 Jun 2017 at 7:42am Stewpot wrote:
Fair play to Corbyn, he played a blinder, he put out a manifesto promising everything to everyone even though it would have been unachievable . He could afford to do this because he knew that they were never going to win. There is nothing wrong with this its good politics.
From his personal point of view he couldnt have started from a lower place so the only way his ratings could go was up. He equitted himself very well, but he had nothing to loose and not much pressure.
In next years election ( it will defo happen ) things wont be quite so easy for him and Labour, they will have to be more responsible with regards to their manifesto and he will be on a pedal stool.
I think that last Thursday was as good as it is going to get for Corbyn.
On 12 Jun 2017 at 4:27pm bobobob wrote:
"More responsible in terms of his manifesto"
Like getting it costed? Or not performing mighty u turns and promising to fill in the blanks after the election?
He promised large businesses and high earners tax increases, is that something they wanted?
His detractors may have had a low opinion of him but many have been supportive of his mature, open approach to politics since the beginning. With 2 parties representing 80% of voters there will be disagreements within them for sure.
Glad to see he stood up to it rather than caving and doing something silly like calling a referendum or election like the government has done.
I remember the early PMQs when he would be roundly mocked and not get answers when asking questions from constituents. When more MPs understand we want government, not a political side show and soundbites maybe they'll be held in the same regard as Corbyn.
On 12 Jun 2017 at 7:20pm Clifford wrote:
Newms wrote: 'As we saw in Lewes UKIP voters knew perfectly well which Party was standing for hard Brexit...'
Paul, what's the difference between 'soft Brexit' and 'not leaving the EU'?